Discussion:
Advice needed - how to move forward
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Wossaname
2005-04-13 19:54:59 UTC
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OK ... I'm still on the trail of my maternal grandmother, the elusive
Susannah Powell. I have her neatly nailed down from birth (1868),
through to the 1891 census (in service), through to giving birth to her
son on 23/12/1891, through to another live-in post on the 1901 census.

And that's as good as it gets. I've looked on freebmd etc. for her
death, for a possible marriage between her and her 1901 employer, his
death ... all sorts of straws clutched at. Nothing. The blasted woman
has disappeared.

Has anybody any constructive ideas/ assistance they can offer? It would
make my mum's year (decade!) if I could find out what happened to
Susannah - we've long ago given up on finding out who fathered her son.
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Wossaname
I'm not short, I'm concentrated
Sharon
2005-04-13 20:29:21 UTC
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I wonder if she ran away with Herbert. ;-)

Seriously, do you belong to other lists, and such?
Maybe the Powell surname list, and the county lists
that pertain to your interests. Try posting your
queries in as many different places as you can. You're
bound to find out something.

Sharon
Post by Wossaname
OK ... I'm still on the trail of my maternal
grandmother, the elusive
Susannah Powell. I have her neatly nailed down from
birth (1868),
through to the 1891 census (in service), through to
giving birth to her
son on 23/12/1891, through to another live-in post
on the 1901 census.
And that's as good as it gets. I've looked on
freebmd etc. for her
death, for a possible marriage between her and her
1901 employer, his
death ... all sorts of straws clutched at. Nothing.
The blasted woman
has disappeared.
Has anybody any constructive ideas/ assistance they
can offer? It would
make my mum's year (decade!) if I could find out
what happened to
Susannah - we've long ago given up on finding out
who fathered her son.
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C Rihan
2005-04-13 23:25:04 UTC
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Post by Wossaname
OK ... I'm still on the trail of my maternal grandmother, the elusive
Susannah Powell. I have her neatly nailed down from birth (1868), through
to the 1891 census (in service), through to giving birth to her son on
23/12/1891, through to another live-in post on the 1901 census.
Well, that's not bad going.
Post by Wossaname
And that's as good as it gets. I've looked on freebmd etc. for her death,
for a possible marriage between her and her 1901 employer, his death ...
all sorts of straws clutched at. Nothing. The blasted woman has
disappeared.
FreeBMD tends to have more of the records before 1901. so you
need to look at a BMD index in a library somewhere, or the FRC
or the 1837 site. The last one is probably going to work out
expensive if you don't find anything in the first few years.

If she did marry her employer, then you can check to see if his name
has the same refernce and registration district.
After a certain date the spouse's name is actually in the index bnside
the name you look up.
If she didn't marry him but stayed in the same area, you may be able
to find a Susannah Powell marriage in the area, and get the certificate
to see who she married.(use a check on her father's name to make
sure it is the right Susannah)..
If she married out of the area, there may be too many Susannahs to
choose from.
If she died before marrying, then you can use the age at death in the
index to check whether it could be the right death.

Best wishes
C.Rihan
Wossaname
2005-04-14 07:36:25 UTC
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FreeBMD tends to have more of the records before 1901. so you need to
look at a BMD index in a library somewhere, or the FRC or the 1837
site. The last one is probably going to work out expensive if you don't
find anything in the first few years.
Needle in haystack - as I said, last sighting of her was in 1901.
Unfortunately, she was 33, which leaves an awful lot of scope. I have
had resounding lack of success with 1837online looking for "control"
data where the answers are already known, so am reluctant to waste vast
amounts of time looking for information that is probably not there.
After a certain date the spouse's name is actually in the index bnside
the name you look up.
1911, I believe.
If she didn't marry him but stayed in the same area, you may be able to
find a Susannah Powell marriage in the area, and get the certificate
to see who she married.(use a check on her father's name to make sure
it is the right Susannah).. If she married out of the area, there may
be too many Susannahs to choose from. If she died before marrying, then
you can use the age at death in the index to check whether it could be
the right death.
I've been pursuing those. The problem is volume, as well as accessible
searchable resources. My available time tends to be when FRC's etc are
closed, and trips to sunny Shropshire aren't an option either at
present.

Thanks for the suggestions though - tells me I'm basically delving in
the right (obvious) places.
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Wossaname
I'm not short, I'm concentrated
C Rihan
2005-04-14 13:37:44 UTC
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Post by Wossaname
FreeBMD tends to have more of the records before 1901. so you need to look
at a BMD index in a library somewhere, or the FRC or the 1837 site. The
last one is probably going to work out expensive if you don't find
anything in the first few years.
Needle in haystack - as I said, last sighting of her was in 1901.
Unfortunately, she was 33, which leaves an awful lot of scope. I have had
resounding lack of success with 1837online looking for "control" data
where the answers are already known, so am reluctant to waste vast amounts
of time looking for information that is probably not there.
My guess is that if she did marry it was more likely to be when she was
young, so at age 33 in 1901 it should be in the first few years after that.

Once you get to the First World War, she may have joined some
organisation to help.

At some point, if she had managed to save some money, or if a
relative helped, she could have her own place to live in, and you mgiht
find her in a street directory.
However, I think that's even more of a long shot, probably
more likely to find something in the Marriages or deaths.

Hmm, I suppose if you did take the more expensive route,( looking at
the 1837 site), if you look through one year of marriges and deaths a week
then in a year's time you would have covered her up to age 85,
and a few months later you would have finished!
On the other hand, if you can get to an index for a day, you could
shorten the time considerably!

Best wishes
C.Rihan
Geoff
2005-04-14 09:15:15 UTC
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The subject says, "How to move forward". Did you really mean forward
through time? If you did, you might be able to bridge the gap by moving
backwards from your parents.

On the other hand, if you meant backwards through time, a location or two
might enable another researcher to help you a lot.

Geoff
Wossaname
2005-04-14 09:30:20 UTC
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Post by Geoff
The subject says, "How to move forward". Did you really mean forward
through time? If you did, you might be able to bridge the gap by
moving backwards from your parents.
No. Forward through time. As detailed in my post. We have her and her
family's history reasonably thoroughly documented up to 1901, and on
wards from there (with the exception of her) to the present day. She
disappears in 1901.

If my grandfather knew what happened to her, he wasn't for telling, and
he died in 1967 in any case. There was a photograph of Susannah, but my
step-grandmother disposed of it and all other papers (inc. trench
diaries) on his death.
Post by Geoff
On the other hand, if you meant backwards through time, a location or
two might enable another researcher to help you a lot.
No. I meant forwards. As I said.

If anyone has some genuinely helpful suggestion, I'm all ears, and
further details of the family can be supplied on request.

Point taken re: location. She is last "seen" at 63a High St, St Leonard,
Shropshire. Working at Driphill House, Rhydd, Worcestershire in 1891, 9
1/2 months before producing her child. The family are generally to be
found around the Bridgenorth area.
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Wossaname
I'm not short, I'm concentrated
Ken Gibb
2005-04-14 10:58:25 UTC
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Post by Wossaname
Post by Geoff
The subject says, "How to move forward". Did you really mean forward
through time? If you did, you might be able to bridge the gap by
moving backwards from your parents.
No. Forward through time. As detailed in my post. We have her and her
family's history reasonably thoroughly documented up to 1901, and on
wards from there (with the exception of her) to the present day. She
disappears in 1901.
Unfortunatel I missed the original (because possibly with ALL the
rubbish of Charles & Camilla + the Pope ).
Did you mention "I hope" FORWARD from 1901.
If not you muddied the waters for people to help you.

Uderstandably the responses have upset you.

Also understandably they "misunderstood" what you did not say.

Ken
Post by Wossaname
If my grandfather knew what happened to her, he wasn't for telling, and
he died in 1967 in any case. There was a photograph of Susannah, but my
step-grandmother disposed of it and all other papers (inc. trench
diaries) on his death.
Post by Geoff
On the other hand, if you meant backwards through time, a location or
two might enable another researcher to help you a lot.
No. I meant forwards. As I said.
If anyone has some genuinely helpful suggestion, I'm all ears, and
further details of the family can be supplied on request.
Point taken re: location. She is last "seen" at 63a High St, St Leonard,
Shropshire. Working at Driphill House, Rhydd, Worcestershire in 1891, 9
1/2 months before producing her child. The family are generally to be
found around the Bridgenorth area.
Jill and Ken Gibb e-mail - ***@melbpc.org.au
Mordialloc, Victoria
Australia
Wossaname
2005-04-14 11:16:57 UTC
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Post by Ken Gibb
Unfortunatel I missed the original (because possibly with ALL the
rubbish of Charles & Camilla + the Pope ).
Well it was in a nice new thread on it's own - I flagged the chuck and
Post by Ken Gibb
Did you mention "I hope" FORWARD from 1901.
Yes. The person I was responding to had read the subject line but not
bothered to read the actual post. If *you* read the original post, or
even the post to which you are replying, you will see that I have
Susannah's history *up* *to* *and* *including* *1901* after which she
*disappears*. Why would I then be searching backwards over what I know?
I want to know what *happened* *to* *her*, not where she came from.
Post by Ken Gibb
If not you muddied the waters for people to help you.
No. See above.
Post by Ken Gibb
Uderstandably the responses have upset you.
No. But that response and yours irritated me. Funnily enough, I take
exception to people who pick holes in a question they haven't bothered
to read! Fine, if they can't help, of course that isn't a problem. But
to have a pop at me for the sake of it is just plain pointless
pomposity.
Post by Ken Gibb
Also understandably they "misunderstood" what you did not say.
No. They and you deliberately couldn't understand what I did say because
they didn't bother to read it.

Now. Do you have anything actually constructive to offer, or is this yet
another "Oh look, it's her - I'll be nasty for the sake of it" posts? If
the former, as I've already said, I'm all ears. If the latter, we've
seen/ heard it all before and we aren't interested.
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Wossaname
I'm not short, I'm concentrated
Ken Gibb
2005-04-14 11:52:26 UTC
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Post by Wossaname
Post by Ken Gibb
Unfortunatel I missed the original (because possibly with ALL the
rubbish of Charles & Camilla + the Pope ).
Well it was in a nice new thread on it's own - I flagged the chuck and
Post by Ken Gibb
Did you mention "I hope" FORWARD from 1901.
Yes. The person I was responding to had read the subject line but not
bothered to read the actual post. If *you* read the original post, or
even the post to which you are replying, you will see that I have
Susannah's history *up* *to* *and* *including* *1901* after which she
*disappears*. Why would I then be searching backwards over what I know?
I want to know what *happened* *to* *her*, not where she came from.
Post by Ken Gibb
If not you muddied the waters for people to help you.
No. See above.
Post by Ken Gibb
Uderstandably the responses have upset you.
No. But that response and yours irritated me. Funnily enough, I take
exception to people who pick holes in a question they haven't bothered
to read! Fine, if they can't help, of course that isn't a problem. But
to have a pop at me for the sake of it is just plain pointless
pomposity.
Post by Ken Gibb
Also understandably they "misunderstood" what you did not say.
No. They and you deliberately couldn't understand what I did say because
they didn't bother to read it.
Now. Do you have anything actually constructive to offer, or is this yet
another "Oh look, it's her - I'll be nasty for the sake of it" posts? If
the former, as I've already said, I'm all ears. If the latter, we've
seen/ heard it all before and we aren't interested.
Whatever Wossaname is

I mentioned I had not ( as I only allow 100 ) with all the mentioned
rubbish seen any previous.
I was trying to help but if not required & from your tone, probably
will not in the future.
If it is a (as you say a "her" why be nasty ?) but do not try to be a
smartie please.
'
We try again or what ??
I.E. when you get off Princess Anne's horse ??

Ken

Jill and Ken Gibb e-mail - ***@melbpc.org.au
Mordialloc, Victoria
Australia
Wossaname
2005-04-14 12:02:48 UTC
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Post by Ken Gibb
We try again or what ??
I.E. when you get off Princess Anne's horse ??
Original question:
OK ... I'm still on the trail of my maternal grandmother, the elusive
Susannah Powell. I have her neatly nailed down from birth (1868),
through to the 1891 census (in service), through to giving birth to her
son on 23/12/1891, through to another live-in post on the 1901 census.

And that's as good as it gets. I've looked on freebmd etc. for her
death, for a possible marriage between her and her 1901 employer, his
death ... all sorts of straws clutched at. Nothing. The blasted woman
has disappeared.

Has anybody any constructive ideas/ assistance they can offer? It would
make my mum's year (decade!) if I could find out what happened to
Susannah - we've long ago given up on finding out who fathered her son.

With the minor(!) omission since added:
She is last "seen" at 63a High St, St Leonard, Shropshire. Working at
Driphill House, Rhydd, Worcestershire in 1891, 9 1/2 months before
producing her child. The family are generally to be found around the
Bridgenorth area.
--
Wossaname
I'm not short, I'm concentrated
Ken Gibb
2005-04-14 12:16:42 UTC
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Post by Wossaname
Post by Ken Gibb
We try again or what ??
I.E. when you get off Princess Anne's horse ??
OK ... I'm still on the trail of my maternal grandmother, the elusive
Susannah Powell. I have her neatly nailed down from birth (1868),
through to the 1891 census (in service), through to giving birth to her
son on 23/12/1891, through to another live-in post on the 1901 census.
And that's as good as it gets. I've looked on freebmd etc. for her
death, for a possible marriage between her and her 1901 employer, his
death ... all sorts of straws clutched at. Nothing. The blasted woman
has disappeared.
Has anybody any constructive ideas/ assistance they can offer? It would
make my mum's year (decade!) if I could find out what happened to
Susannah - we've long ago given up on finding out who fathered her son.
She is last "seen" at 63a High St, St Leonard, Shropshire. Working at
Driphill House, Rhydd, Worcestershire in 1891, 9 1/2 months before
producing her child. The family are generally to be found around the
Bridgenorth area.
Thankyou.
Now seeing the question ,I will think, constructively & respond if
possible.
Long way from the action, but may even assist with thoughts.

Ken

Jill and Ken Gibb e-mail - ***@melbpc.org.au
Mordialloc, Victoria
Australia
Wossaname
2005-04-14 12:22:27 UTC
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Post by Ken Gibb
Now seeing the question ,I will think, constructively & respond if
possible. Long way from the action, but may even assist with thoughts.
Thank you. It's all grist to the mill, after all. And this woman is
proving a royal pain in the proverbial.

I did find the 1891 household interesting though; 73yo clergyman, his
56yo wife ... and 3 young women servants. And then she leaves -
presumably under a cloud - and drops a brat. Now *there's* some food for
speculation lol!
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Wossaname
I'm not short, I'm concentrated
Dave Pickles
2005-04-14 17:00:35 UTC
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Post by Wossaname
I did find the 1891 household interesting though; 73yo clergyman, his
56yo wife ... and 3 young women servants. And then she leaves -
presumably under a cloud - and drops a brat. Now *there's* some food for
speculation lol!
I've seen households like that in the records, where the vicar is housing
parishioners who have Fallen On Hard Times and employing them as servants.
--
Dave
Wossaname
2005-04-14 17:39:14 UTC
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Post by Dave Pickles
I've seen households like that in the records, where the vicar is
housing parishioners who have Fallen On Hard Times and employing them
as servants.
Not sure what the connection was, if any, in this instance. The
household was in Worcestershire, one girl was local-ish, but Susannah
was from Shropshire, and the other girl from Herefordshire.
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Wossaname
I'm not short, I'm concentrated
Graeme Wall
2005-04-14 12:32:25 UTC
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Post by Wossaname
Post by Ken Gibb
We try again or what ??
I.E. when you get off Princess Anne's horse ??
OK ... I'm still on the trail of my maternal grandmother, the elusive
Susannah Powell. I have her neatly nailed down from birth (1868),
through to the 1891 census (in service), through to giving birth to her
son on 23/12/1891, through to another live-in post on the 1901 census.
And that's as good as it gets. I've looked on freebmd etc. for her
death, for a possible marriage between her and her 1901 employer, his
death ... all sorts of straws clutched at. Nothing. The blasted woman
has disappeared.
Has anybody any constructive ideas/ assistance they can offer? It would
make my mum's year (decade!) if I could find out what happened to
Susannah - we've long ago given up on finding out who fathered her son.
She is last "seen" at 63a High St, St Leonard, Shropshire. Working at
Driphill House, Rhydd, Worcestershire in 1891, 9 1/2 months before
producing her child. The family are generally to be found around the
Bridgenorth area.
Not necessarily the employer or his son(s) who got her in the family way,
have you tried checking marriages for the other servants in the house-hold
(assuming there were more)? After that I'm afraid it could be checking the
local tradesmen or, more likely, their assistants.
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My genealogy website:
<http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy/index.html>
Wossaname
2005-04-14 15:00:00 UTC
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Post by Graeme Wall
Not necessarily the employer or his son(s) who got her in the family
way, have you tried checking marriages for the other servants in the
house-hold (assuming there were more)? After that I'm afraid it could
be checking the local tradesmen or, more likely, their assistants.
We've given up on ever finding out who the child's father was - it was
only last week I found her on the 1891 after talking to mum - I assumed
they'd found the entry years ago, but they'd looked in the wrong county.
There was only one male in the household - the elderly vicar. Hence the
snigger, but I don't really think he's a likely candidate. A thought
does occur to me though, given who he was, to try and find out if there
might be anything in PCC minutes or some such. The child wasn't born or
baptised there, though.

It's possible she married her 1901 employer, but I'd doubt any
entanglement with the son (he was only 14, and her own son was 10). I've
contacted someone in Horsehay, where Grandpop was raised and was a
Methodist preacher, to see if anything can be turned up there. I suppose
there's a chance there may be an ancient parishioner extant who could
remember him, but I'm not holding my breath, and I doubt they'd know
anything useful. Mind you, my Nan is still alive at 101, and the stuff
she can tell about her village in Cheshire is amazing, so we shall see
what we shall see.
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Wossaname
I'm not short, I'm concentrated
Eve McLaughlin
2005-04-14 16:38:51 UTC
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Post by Wossaname
We've given up on ever finding out who the child's father was
Presumably you have done the obvious and tried the local paper, Petty
Sessions report, to see if she brought a claim for maintenance/
filiation? And also checked the will of the elderly employer?
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Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society
Wossaname
2005-04-14 17:45:15 UTC
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Post by Eve McLaughlin
Post by Wossaname
We've given up on ever finding out who the child's father was
Presumably you have done the obvious and tried the local paper, Petty
Sessions report, to see if she brought a claim for maintenance/
filiation? And also checked the will of the elderly employer?
Now, it's funny you should say that. Mum did a *lot* of such digging
around a few years ago, but in Shrewsbury. It was only last Friday that
I discovered that she had never found Susannah on the 1891 (well, she
wouldn't, if she was looking in the wrong county) - I got the little
madam pinned down on-line about 15 mins after we got home.

Where am I likely to find the PS reports? Worcester records office?
Similarly the will? I should be able to find the local paper ... mind
you, how the heck I get to anywhere to look could prove entertaining at
the moment.
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Wossaname
I'm not short, I'm concentrated
Eve McLaughlin
2005-04-14 21:36:20 UTC
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Post by Eve McLaughlin
Presumably you have done the obvious and tried the local paper, Petty
Sessions report, to see if she brought a claim for maintenance/
filiation? And also checked the will of the elderly employer?
N
Where am I likely to find the PS reports? Worcester records office?
If that is where the baby was born; and if the archives don't preserve
them, then t6he local newspaper (which may add rude comments too)
--
Eve McLaughlin

Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society
Wossaname
2005-04-15 11:13:02 UTC
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Post by Wossaname
Where am I likely to find the PS reports? Worcester records office?
If that is where the baby was born; and if the archives don't preserve
them, then t6he local newspaper (which may add rude comments too)
He was born at Eliza and Arthur's home, Farm Cottage, Enville Estate,
Enville, Staffs, nursed and baptised at Quatt, Shropshire. The address
near Malvern was where she was in service 9 1/2 months before, so I'm
assuming the father was from round there somewhere.

Mum has done extensive research in the past based on a (probably false)
idea of a connection with the Enville owners. Rude comments aren't a
prob - might be a giggle. After the dance she's led us all, Susannah
deserves any she gets LOL!

The chances of finding the father are so remote I'd be amazed if he
turned up, but we'd really like to find out what became of the wayward
Susannah.
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Wossaname
I'm not short, I'm concentrated
Wossaname
2005-04-19 15:41:06 UTC
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Post by Wossaname
Post by Eve McLaughlin
Presumably you have done the obvious and tried the local paper, Petty
Sessions report, to see if she brought a claim for maintenance/
filiation? And also checked the will of the elderly employer?
N
Where am I likely to find the PS reports? Worcester records office?
If that is where the baby was born; and if the archives don't preserve
them, then t6he local newspaper (which may add rude comments too)
I've now tried both Worcester (where she was working 9 mo before his
birth) and Stafford (where he was born, and where she worked next while
he was put out to nurse). Nothing obvious in the PS reports for either,
and the considered opinions of both ladies I spoke to that there was
unlikely to be anything documented, since she was a "mere" domestic, and
obviously carried on working whilst he was raised by her married sister.

So. Where to look next? Any (potentially helpful) suggestions gratefully
received, particularly of resources which can be examined via the Local
History Library here in Leeds, if not on-line, as trips to Shropshire/
elsewhere will have to wait a while longer.

I've a list of possible marriages and deaths supplied by another poster,
which I'm slowly weeding out. If anyone can add any more grist to the
mill, I'm all ears. She can't have simply vanished, after all, and it
would make mum's decade to find out any more about her.
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Wossaname
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Graeme Wall
2005-04-14 15:20:08 UTC
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Wossaname <***@wotsit.gubbins> wrote:

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Post by Wossaname
Mind you, my Nan is still alive at 101, and the stuff
she can tell about her village in Cheshire is amazing, so we shall see
what we shall see.
I trust you are making copious notes!

Had an item on the local news the other night, an interview with a guy they
claimed is the last living member of the Royal Flying Corps, he is 108 and
still very fit, he appeared with a couple of mere youngsters from WW2 at a
book-launch at Tangmere museum
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Hugh Watkins
2005-04-14 12:58:19 UTC
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you need to post full details when you ask questions
a precise mini biography - factual - not a loose narrative

She is last "seen" at 63a High St, St Leonard,
Shropshire. Working at Driphill House, Rhydd, Worcestershire in 1891, 9

1/2 months before producing her child. The family are generally to be
found around the Bridgenorth area.<< needs detail addresses are good
entry point for male electoral rolls

Susannah Powell
http://ancestry.co.uk/

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Powell, Susannah 23 Jackfield, Shropshire / Salop Servant Great
Malvern Worcestershire

Susanah Powell 33 Jackfield, Shropshire, England Servant St Leonard
Shropshire

Source information: RG13/2518
Registration district: Bridgnorth
Sub-registration district: Bridgnorth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Folio: 6
Page: 4 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 18

Name Age in 1901 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island
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Susanah Powell 33 Jackfield, Shropshire, England Servant St Leonard
Shropshire
Rose E Williams 8 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Daughter St Leonard
Shropshire
William A Williams 49 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head St
Leonard Shropshire
LOCAL PREACHER - ASS SUPT LIFE ASSURANCE << have you traced him
forwards or his children?
William M H Williams 14 Malvern, Worcestershire, England Son St
Leonard Shropshire

Where is her daughter in 1901 ?

Is she being raised by family ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/shropshire/panoramic/jackfield/index.shtml

BROSELEY
http://www.broseley.org.uk/index.html

Name: Susan Powell
Age in 1881: 13
Age months: 0
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relationship to head-of-household: Daughter
Household: View other family members
Family and neighbors: View neighbors
Gender: Female
Where born: Broseley, Shropshire, England
Civil parish: Stockton
County/Island: Shropshire
Condition as to marriage: Unknown
Occupation: Brick Moulder Daur
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Source information: RG11/2632
Registration district: Shifnal
Sub-registration district: Albrighton
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Folio: 98
Page: 1

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Eliza Powell abt 1857 Madeley, Shropshire, England Daughter
Stockton, Shropshire, England
Emma Powell abt 1832 Madeley, Shropshire, England Wife Stockton,
Shropshire, England
John Powell abt 1856 Madeley, Shropshire, England Son Stockton,
Shropshire, England
Lizzy Powell abt 1875 Stockton, Shropshire, England Granddaughter
Stockton, Shropshire, England
Sarah Powell abt 1872 Broseley, Shropshire, England Daughter
Stockton, Shropshire, England
Susan Powell abt 1868 Broseley, Shropshire, England Daughter
Stockton, Shropshire, England
William Powell abt 1828 Madeley, Shropshire, England Head Stockton,
Shropshire, England

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You need to follow these collaterals to 1901 and on to living cousins
who raised you maternal grand mother
or greatgrand mother what was her name if you don't mean Susanah?
the ages dont add up in your posting unless as is your mother is about
104 years old

tracing is not rocket science

just painstaking procedural work

if your searches of 1837online failed your data or procedures are wrong
(or your purse is too shallow)

in 1881 if I have the right famiuly Sussanah has a neice!

who is she ? Bastardy tend to run in families who often cope well with
it.

I have no more time today

and where is your website ?
if you don't share how can living cousins find you?


Hugh W


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Wossaname
2005-04-14 15:39:03 UTC
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Hi Hugh!
Post by Hugh Watkins
you need to post full details when you ask questions
a precise mini biography - factual - not a loose narrative
Point taken - but I was more looking for ideas where to go next than
confirmation of what we have. However, I am very grateful for your
interest and input.
Post by Hugh Watkins
Susannah Powell
http://ancestry.co.uk/
is this the one ?
Powell, Susannah 23 Jackfield, Shropshire / Salop Servant Great
Malvern Worcestershire
That's her in 1891 - child (my grandfather born 23/12/1891). I actually
only found this entry last Friday - my mother (bless her cottons) had
been looking in the wrong county.
Post by Hugh Watkins
Susanah Powell 33 Jackfield, Shropshire, England Servant St Leonard
Shropshire
Source information: RG13/2518
Registration district: Bridgnorth
Sub-registration district: Bridgnorth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Folio: 6
Page: 4 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 18
Name Age in 1901 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island
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Susanah Powell 33 Jackfield, Shropshire, England Servant St Leonard
Shropshire Rose E Williams 8 Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England Daughter
St Leonard
Shropshire William A Williams 49 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Head St Leonard Shropshire LOCAL PREACHER - ASS SUPT LIFE ASSURANCE
Yes, that's her again in 1901 - the last record we have of her.
Post by Hugh Watkins
<< have you traced him forwards or his children? William M H Williams
14 Malvern, Worcestershire, England Son St Leonard Shropshire
Unfortunately no luck there, although I have been looking. I have,
however, traced William A and his family back through the 1891 and 181
censususes.
Post by Hugh Watkins
Where is her daughter in 1901 ?
Is she being raised by family ?
It was a son - my grandfather, William Ernest Powell. He is at Bath
Cottage, Dawley with Susannah's sister Eliza and her husband Alfred
Weaver. Not to be confused with William H Powell who in 1891 was being
brought up by Sarah's parents William and Emma Powell at Echoes Hill,
Stockton. William H is son of Susannah's younger sister Sarah. They also
brought up Eliza's illegitimate daughter Lizzie.
Post by Hugh Watkins
http://www.bbc.co.uk/shropshire/panoramic/jackfield/index.shtml
BROSELEY
http://www.broseley.org.uk/index.html
Name: Susan Powell
Age in 1881: 13
Age months: 0
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relationship to head-of-household: Daughter
Yes, this is Susannah again. On the 1881 census and her birth
certificate, she is Susan, for the rest she is Susannah, including
William E's birth and baptism certificates (we have those)
Post by Hugh Watkins
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You need to follow these collaterals to 1901
We have. Susannah had the one *son* that we know about. No more. He was
my grandfather, born 23/12/1891, died 1967. He had 2 children; William
Barber Powell b 1922 d 1976 (One son, b 1948) and my mother, Anne
Pamela Powell b 20/2/1928 (two daughters, b 1952 and 1959). Last time I
looked the rest of us are still very much alive! ;)
Post by Hugh Watkins
and on to living cousins who raised you maternal grand mother
Grandfather. Alfred and Eliza Weaver (see above). They had no children
of their own.
Post by Hugh Watkins
or greatgrand mother what was her name if you don't mean Susanah? the
ages dont add up in your posting unless as is your mother is about 104
years old
Yes they do:
Great grandmother Susannah b 1868
Grandfather William Ernest b 1891(when Susannah was 23)
Mother b 1928 (when William E was 37, she is currently aged 76)
Self b 1959 (when mother was 31, I am currently aged 45)
Post by Hugh Watkins
tracing is not rocket science
just painstaking procedural work
Which is why I was asking for ideas as to how and where to look
Post by Hugh Watkins
if your searches of 1837online failed your data or procedures are wrong
(or your purse is too shallow)
Which is why I decided to use some credits looking for "control" data to
which I already knew the answers. It failed to reveal known items such
as my own parents' births etc. I found my own, plus my sister's 1975
marriage, etc., so assume my methods to be correct.
Post by Hugh Watkins
in 1881 if I have the right famiuly Sussanah has a neice!
who is she ?
Lizzie, daughter of Eliza (see above)
Post by Hugh Watkins
Bastardy tend to run in families who often cope well with it.
This lot seemed to have no problem - it was Grandpop who had the
hang-ups about it.
Post by Hugh Watkins
and where is your website ?
if you don't share how can living cousins find you?
My website is full of embroidery - I'm a textile artist. I'm picking up
the threads on this (no pun intended) for my parents as failing health
and eyesight, plus caring for my centenarian paternal grandmother, are
becoming somewhat restrictive for them. In due course, I'd love to put
it all on the web, but first I have to pick through all the hand-written
notes and funny bits of paper. I have given the Aged Ps a tweak or few
towards getting it all in order, this is the tip of the iceberg - or a
stray loose end, whichever way you wish to look at it.
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Wossaname
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Eve McLaughlin
2005-04-14 16:42:11 UTC
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I
Post by Wossaname
We have. Susannah had the one *son* that we know about. No more. He was
my grandfather, born 23/12/1891, died 1967. He had 2 children; William
Barber Powell b 1922 d 1976
So can you account for the surname Barber among those of known family
members@ If not then there is a strpicion it could be the name of his
father, which he was told by the family, and used (with reason) for his
own son.
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Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society
Wossaname
2005-04-14 17:30:01 UTC
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Post by Eve McLaughlin
Post by Wossaname
We have. Susannah had the one *son* that we know about. No more. He was
my grandfather, born 23/12/1891, died 1967. He had 2 children; William
Barber Powell b 1922 d 1976
So can you account for the surname Barber among those of known family
father, which he was told by the family, and used (with reason) for his
own son.
Dead easy. His wife's maiden name. Annoying, isn't it? If he knew who
his father was, he never told anyone. We've no evidence of any contact
between him and Susannah, although there was apparently a photograph.
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Wossaname
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octiger
2005-04-14 20:29:01 UTC
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Post by Wossaname
OK ... I'm still on the trail of my maternal grandmother, the elusive
Susannah Powell. I have her neatly nailed down from birth (1868),
through to the 1891 census (in service), through to giving birth to her
son on 23/12/1891, through to another live-in post on the 1901 census.
And that's as good as it gets. I've looked on freebmd etc. for her
death, for a possible marriage between her and her 1901 employer, his
death ... all sorts of straws clutched at. Nothing. The blasted woman
has disappeared.
I suppose that Susannah POWELL isn't a particularly unusual name, and if
this IS her she'd be marrying at a rather advanced age. Anyway, the one
I found was a marriage registered in March 1914:

OVERTON Alfred to POWELL Susannah Bridgnorth 6a 849

HTH,
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Wossaname
2005-04-14 21:49:27 UTC
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Post by octiger
I suppose that Susannah POWELL isn't a particularly unusual name, and
if this IS her she'd be marrying at a rather advanced age. Anyway, the
OVERTON Alfred to POWELL Susannah Bridgnorth 6a 849
Thanks for that - I'll follow it up. I assume the only way of checking
for sure is to order the certificate? She'd only be 47 ... not beyond
the realms ... Grandpop abandoned ideas of the Methodist ministry and
enlisted 1915.
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Wossaname
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Edie
2005-04-15 00:35:42 UTC
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Hi Wossyourname,
Have you been over to Bridgenorth and done a bit of doorknocking. It works
sometimes. I have done it myself. What about a letter to the editor of the
local newspaper in the areas you are seeking Susannah Powell in? I have had
great success in that area of research as well. the other thing is could
she have gone abroad to the US or Australia, South Africa. Worth checking
emigration records. I beleive no no index is complete if that is all you
are going by. What about some grave searching etc. Going to bridgenorth
doing some search there. Not sure of your age, but if you are young enough,
anything is possible to do some travel if that is needed to do your
research. Where theres a will there is a way.

Edie
Tasmania

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wossaname" <***@wotsit.gubbins>
To: <GENBRIT-***@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: Advice needed - how to move forward
Post by Wossaname
Post by Ken Gibb
We try again or what ??
I.E. when you get off Princess Anne's horse ??
OK ... I'm still on the trail of my maternal grandmother, the elusive
Susannah Powell. I have her neatly nailed down from birth (1868),
through to the 1891 census (in service), through to giving birth to her
son on 23/12/1891, through to another live-in post on the 1901 census.
Has anybody any constructive ideas/ assistance they can offer? It would
make my mum's year (decade!) if I could find out what happened to
Susannah - we've long ago given up on finding out who fathered her son.
She is last "seen" at 63a High St, St Leonard, Shropshire. Working at
Driphill House, Rhydd, Worcestershire in 1891, 9 1/2 months before
producing her child. The family are generally to be found around the
Bridgenorth area.
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Wossaname
2005-04-15 06:56:10 UTC
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Hi Edie

Thanks for your input. I'm picking up this particular loose end from my
parents, who've done a lot of hunting in the past. I have got a bit
nearer and dug up some information they didn't, so some things will have
to be revisited but other wheels can be left and not re-invented.
Post by Edie
Have you been over to Bridgenorth and done a bit of doorknocking.
Bridgenorth is quite big, but mum and dad have hunted round some of the
outlying villages involved some years ago, and loads of churchyards, but
to no avail.
Post by Edie
What about a letter to the editor of the local newspaper in the areas
you are seeking Susannah Powell in?
That's been done for Bridgenorth - but I'm trying again for Gt Malvern,
where she was in 1891 immediately prior to my Grandfather's birth. I've
also contacted someone with strong links to the church at horsehay where
Grandpop was a preacher for a while.
Post by Edie
the other thing is could she have gone abroad to the US or Australia,
South Africa. Worth checking emigration records.
That's another theory we'd been following a while back - but before she
was found on the 1901 census, and more shipping lists etc have become
available, so I am pursuing it again.
Post by Edie
What about some grave searching etc. Going to bridgenorth doing some
search there. Not sure of your age, but if you are young enough,
anything is possible to do some travel if that is needed to do your
research.
It's 95 miles each way - about 2 hours drive easily. I'm 45, so the
distance isn't a problem, but I'm a lone parent on a limited income, so
the actual time and expense mean that any trips will take *very* careful
planning to fit the most in, and may have to coincide with school
holidays in order to either take the kids with me or park them on
someone. If i can find cheap accomodation, they could come along and
help (they're both literate, after all).
Post by Edie
Where theres a will there is a way.
That's something I may have to go to Worcester to look for ... another
trip ... hmmm ...
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Wossaname
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Ken Gibb
2005-04-15 07:36:55 UTC
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 06:56:10 GMT, Wossaname <***@wotsit.gubbins>


Tried this as e mail but , it bounced.

Hello,

Reading thru' yours + other responses, I cannot see

1.Name of her 1901 employer.
2.The childs full name.

Do you have these ??
Ken

Jill and Ken Gibb e-mail - ***@melbpc.org.au
Mordialloc, Victoria
Australia
Wossaname
2005-04-15 07:50:26 UTC
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Post by Ken Gibb
1.Name of her 1901 employer.
2.The childs full name.
1. William A Williams, 63A High St, St Leonard (already given, I'm sure)
2. William Ernest Powell (def given) b 23/12/1891 - not to be confused
with his cousin William H Powell b c1889
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Wossaname
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Edie
2005-04-15 11:40:19 UTC
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HI Wossaname,

Why not go to a Youth Hostel with the kids. You can book a family room.
The YHA for the UK is on the net with prices. There are some beaut ones.
They are quite cheap. I have stayed in many of them. You get a key to the
rooms so it is reasonably safe. Take your own food and save a mint.

The kids will be very useful to you in your search

<<It's 95 miles each way - about 2 hours drive easily. I'm 45, so the
distance isn't a problem, but I'm a lone parent on a limited income, so
the actual time and expense mean that any trips will take *very* careful
planning to fit the most in, and may have to coincide with school
holidays in order to either take the kids with me or park them on
someone. If i can find cheap accomodation, they could come along and
help (they're both literate, after all).>>

Happy searching
Edie
Australia


----- Original Message -----
From: "Wossaname" <***@wotsit.gubbins>
To: <GENBRIT-***@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: Susannah Powell c1868 ? - how to move forward from 1901 census
at Worcestershire ?
Wossaname
2005-04-15 11:50:47 UTC
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Post by Edie
Why not go to a Youth Hostel with the kids. You can book a family
room. The YHA for the UK is on the net with prices. There are some
beaut ones. They are quite cheap. I have stayed in many of them. You
get a key to the rooms so it is reasonably safe. Take your own food and
save a mint.
Hehehe! You're preaching to the converted, Edie - I've been a life
member for nearly 25 yrs now, so the kids get membership for free till
age 18. It's not as cheap as it used to be, esp for 3 of us, but
fortunately more have family rooms now - son at just 14 is now old
enough to go in men's dorm on his own, but I don't think he'd fancy
that. Kielder last Sept was gorgeous. It's certainly something I'll be
looking into with them.
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Wossaname
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Steve Hayes
2005-04-14 18:07:04 UTC
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Post by Ken Gibb
Post by Wossaname
No. Forward through time. As detailed in my post. We have her and her
family's history reasonably thoroughly documented up to 1901, and on
wards from there (with the exception of her) to the present day. She
disappears in 1901.
Unfortunatel I missed the original (because possibly with ALL the
rubbish of Charles & Camilla + the Pope ).
Did you mention "I hope" FORWARD from 1901.
If not you muddied the waters for people to help you.
Unfortunately I too missed the original, or at least I'm still waiting for it
to arrive. That sometimes happens.
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Wossaname
2005-04-14 18:14:52 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Unfortunately I too missed the original, or at least I'm still waiting
for it to arrive. That sometimes happens.
I've posted it all again since. There's more detail in Hugh's post and
my reply.
--
Wossaname
I'm not short, I'm concentrated
Neale Sheldon
2005-04-14 19:56:44 UTC
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i have extracted the following marriages and deaths from 1900-1920, if it is
any help

1 Powell Susannah Mildenhall.4a 1700 Marriage 4 1901
2 Powell Susannah Birmingham.6d 404 Marriage 4 1902
3 Powell Susannah Narberth.11a 1949 Marriage 4 1903
4 Powell Susannah Pontypridd.11a 733 Marriage 1 1906
5 Powell Susannah Chesterfield.7b 1632 Marriage 4 1906
6 Powell Susannah Neath.11a 1689 Marriage 4 1907
7 Powell Susannah Ruth Edmonton.3a 1010 Marriage 4 1908
8 Powell Susannah Wrexham.11b 531 Marriage 4 1908
9 Powell Susannah Stoke Upon Trent.6b 417 Marriage 2 1909
10 Powell Susannah Merthyr Tydfil.11a 1309 Marriage 4 1909
11 Powell Susannah Louisa N St Giles.1b 859 Marriage 2 1910
12 Powell Susannah married Davies Merthyr Tydfil.11a 1101 Marriage 2 1912
13 Powell Susannah Overton Bridgnorth.6a 849 Marriage 1 1914
14 Powell Susannah L Evans Neath.11a 1855 Marriage 3 1914
15 Powell Susannah A L Jones Cardiff.11a 832 Marriage 3 1917
16 Powell Susannah H Holland Bucklow.8a 497 Marriage 2 1919
17 Powell Susannah Jenkins Bedwelty.11a 323 Marriage 4 1919

1 Powell Susanna Elizaebth E East Ashford.2a 1697 Marriage 2 1900
2 Powell Susanna Elizabeth Banbury.3a 2453 Marriage 3 1909
3 Powell Susanna Watson Barnsley.9c 416 Marriage 3 1912

1 Powell Susannah 67 Biggleswade.3b 195 Death 2 1900
2 Powell Susannah 31 Swansea.11a 588 Death 3 1901
3 Powell Susannah 83 Edmonton.3a 292 Death 4 1901
4 Powell Susannah 69 Stepney.1c 297 Death 4 1901
5 Powell Susannah 6 Llanelly.11a 674 Death 1 1902
6 Powell Susannah 73 Fulham.1a 218 Death 1 1903
7 Powell Susannah 92 Warwick.6d 338 Death 3 1903
8 Powell Susannah Doris Cardiff.11a 217 Death 3 1904
9 Powell Susannah 40 Prestwich.8d 304 Death 4 1904
10 Powell Susannah 54 Bridgend.11a 468 Death 4 1904
11 Powell Susannah 77 Islington.1b 93 Death 2 1905
12 Powell Susannah 85 Holywell.11b 144 Death 3 1905
13 Powell Susannah 74 Pershore.6c 213 Death 1 1906
14 Powell Susannah 83 Ross.6a 251 Death 3 1908
15 Powell Susannah 95 Camberwell.1d 601 Death 1 1909
16 Powell Susannah 78 West Ham.4a 174 Death 1 1909
17 Powell Susannah 3 Chorlton.8c 482 Death 4 1909
18 Powell Susannah 70 Hawarden.11b 171 Death 1 1910
19 Powell Susannah 88 Mile End Old Town.1c 247 Death 4 1910
20 Powell Susannah 70 Camberwell.1d 370 Death 2 1911
Post by Wossaname
OK ... I'm still on the trail of my maternal grandmother, the elusive
Susannah Powell. I have her neatly nailed down from birth (1868), through
to the 1891 census (in service), through to giving birth to her son on
23/12/1891, through to another live-in post on the 1901 census.
And that's as good as it gets. I've looked on freebmd etc. for her death,
for a possible marriage between her and her 1901 employer, his death ...
all sorts of straws clutched at. Nothing. The blasted woman has
disappeared.
Has anybody any constructive ideas/ assistance they can offer? It would
make my mum's year (decade!) if I could find out what happened to
Susannah - we've long ago given up on finding out who fathered her son.
--
Wossaname
I'm not short, I'm concentrated
Wossaname
2005-04-14 21:49:27 UTC
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Post by Neale Sheldon
i have extracted the following marriages and deaths from 1900-1920, if
it is any help
Thanks for that, Neale, very kind. I'll sift through and pick out the
possibilities - some of the deaths can be discounted on age, and the
marriages possibly by extra forenames ... I can certainly select the
most likely candidates and pursue them further.
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Wossaname
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