UK Info Disk (Again!)

[Roger Mills]

I've started a new thread because my query isn't relevant to the previous
discussion on copyright issues etc.

I've just bought Version 7 (2002) on Ebay which - although not the very
latest prior to opt-out - should be sufficient for my purposes.

It came on 2 CDs - one of which does the software installation, and the
other one holds the data.

The data disk has to be in the CD drive in order to run the program. Has
anyone found a way of copying the data onto a hard drive, and telling the
program where to find it?

Several of my second-cousins are missing - even though it was pre opt-out
and they must surely have been on electoral registers. Can anyone offer a
logical explanation for this?

[c***@postmaster.co.uk]

Post by Roger Mills
Several of my second-cousins are missing - even though it was pre opt-out
and they must surely have been on electoral registers. Can anyone offer a
logical explanation for this?

Perhaps they just didn't get the forms back in time, or at all. I have
noticed in the paper copies that whole households go missing and then
reappear intact a year or so later. Around here, we only get a week or
less to have the form collected, and if you are away or out when they
call, and there isn't an election pending so there seems no point in
posting it...

Chris
Researching Penge, Anerley, London SE20, and neighbouring parts of
Beckenham, Kent.

[Lol]

Hi Roger

I haven't tried copying to hard drive - so not sure about that - but I
imagine it won't be easy as it gives them a level of copy protection as it
stands.

Were your missing cousins over the age of 21 (or is that 18 now ?) at the
time of the electoral roll being drawn up (which I imagine is 1999 or 2000)

regards Lol

Post by Roger Mills
I've started a new thread because my query isn't relevant to the previous
discussion on copyright issues etc.
I've just bought Version 7 (2002) on Ebay which - although not the very
latest prior to opt-out - should be sufficient for my purposes.
It came on 2 CDs - one of which does the software installation, and the
other one holds the data.
The data disk has to be in the CD drive in order to run the program. Has
anyone found a way of copying the data onto a hard drive, and telling the
program where to find it?
Several of my second-cousins are missing - even though it was pre opt-out
and they must surely have been on electoral registers. Can anyone offer a
logical explanation for this?
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Roger
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[Charani]

Post by Lol
Were your missing cousins over the age of 21 (or is that 18 now ?) at the
time of the electoral roll being drawn up (which I imagine is 1999 or 2000)

18 now but those likely to turn 18 during the "life" of the electoral
roll would also be included. The form does say to include those 16
and above.

[Roger Mills]

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

Post by Lol
Hi Roger
Were your missing cousins over the age of 21 (or is that 18 now ?) at
the time of the electoral roll being drawn up (which I imagine is
1999 or 2000)

No - they're all mature people in their 60's or more. But they're not too
old and doddery to be able to fill in the electoral form! One is a retired
doctor - who has always been ex-directory - but I would still have expected
to be able to find him via the electoral roll.

[Lesley Robertson]

Post by Roger Mills
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

Post by Lol
Hi Roger
Were your missing cousins over the age of 21 (or is that 18 now ?) at
the time of the electoral roll being drawn up (which I imagine is
1999 or 2000)

No - they're all mature people in their 60's or more. But they're not too
old and doddery to be able to fill in the electoral form! One is a retired
doctor - who has always been ex-directory - but I would still have
expected to be able to find him via the electoral roll.
--

Every time they build a new electoral roll, there seems to be reams of
complaints about people not registering to vote for assorted reasons, and
thus missing from the registers. Presumably, this would mean that InfoDisc
would also not pick them up?
Lesley Robertson

[John E Wynn]

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:09:56 +0100, "Roger Mills"

Post by Roger Mills
I've just bought Version 7 (2002) on Ebay which - although not the very
latest prior to opt-out - should be sufficient for my purposes.
It came on 2 CDs - one of which does the software installation, and the
other one holds the data.
The data disk has to be in the CD drive in order to run the program. Has
anyone found a way of copying the data onto a hard drive, and telling the
program where to find it?

I run various versions of UK Info Disk (and many other CD titles) by
copying to hard disk as Virtual CDs. There are a number of
commercial packages which will do this, my favourite being Virtual CD
from H+H Software.

You need to create a virtual CD of the installation CD first, insert
into your chosen virtual drive, and run that to install the software
to hard disk. Then create a virtual CD of the data CD, insert that
into the same virtual CD drive, and it should run. I have three
hard disks, one physical DVD/CD reader/writer, and twenty virtual
DVD/CD drives.

Post by Roger Mills
Several of my second-cousins are missing - even though it was pre opt-out
and they must surely have been on electoral registers. Can anyone offer a
logical explanation for this?

The UK Info Disks are fairly cheap and there is much missing data,
even in the pre opt-out versions. I also have other (expensive and
no longer available) sets of the rolls so could run a check for the
missing cousins if you wish?

John Wynn
(email address works)

[Roger Mills]

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

Post by John E Wynn
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 10:09:56 +0100, "Roger Mills"

Post by Roger Mills
I've just bought Version 7 (2002) on Ebay which - although not the
very latest prior to opt-out - should be sufficient for my purposes.
It came on 2 CDs - one of which does the software installation, and
the other one holds the data.
The data disk has to be in the CD drive in order to run the program.
Has anyone found a way of copying the data onto a hard drive, and
telling the program where to find it?

I run various versions of UK Info Disk (and many other CD titles) by
copying to hard disk as Virtual CDs. There are a number of
commercial packages which will do this, my favourite being Virtual CD
from H+H Software.

Thanks - but I've already installed it from CD and don't really want to
uninstall it again. What I was really looking for was a config file I could
edit - or maybe a registry key - which would tell it to look on the hard
disk for its data.

Post by John E Wynn

Post by Roger Mills
Several of my second-cousins are missing - even though it was pre
opt-out and they must surely have been on electoral registers. Can
anyone offer a logical explanation for this?

The UK Info Disks are fairly cheap and there is much missing data,
even in the pre opt-out versions. I also have other (expensive and
no longer available) sets of the rolls so could run a check for the
missing cousins if you wish?

Again thanks - but I *know* where these particular people are, so I don't
need to *find* them. It was just that not being able to find people whom I
know to exist caused me to wonder how many more are missing.

[Roger Mills]

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

Post by Roger Mills
Thanks - but I've already installed it from CD and don't really want
to uninstall it again. What I was really looking for was a config
file I could edit - or maybe a registry key - which would tell it to
look on the hard disk for its data.

To partially answer my own question - I've done a bit of investigating, and
some people may be interested in the result.

The *good* news is that I've found a register key called CDPath under
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE / SOFTWARE / i-CD / API / v7.0 / data - which was set to
F:\ (my CD drive). By copying all the files from the CD to a suitable folder
on my hard disk, and changing this register key to point to this folder, it
now gets the data from the hard disk and returns results infinitely faster.

The *bad* news is that the program won't start unless the CD is in the
drive - but reports "Disk not present" or somesuch. As soon as it's up and
running, I can remove the CD! So *something* is still telling it to look at
the CD drive. I can't find any text-based config files which contain the CD
path - so assume it must be encrypted inside one of the binary setup files.

[T.M. Sommers]

Post by Roger Mills
The *bad* news is that the program won't start unless the CD is in the
drive - but reports "Disk not present" or somesuch. As soon as it's up and
running, I can remove the CD! So *something* is still telling it to look at
the CD drive. I can't find any text-based config files which contain the CD
path - so assume it must be encrypted inside one of the binary setup files.

Or it may just search every CD drive in the machine. The purpose
of this sort of check is to make sure that you bought the
program, so it is not likely that there will be a way to turn it off.

[Dave Pickles]

Post by Roger Mills
Several of my second-cousins are missing - even though it was pre opt-out
and they must surely have been on electoral registers. Can anyone offer a
logical explanation for this?

Certain categories of people were always able to be omitted from the public
version of the Electoral Roll if there was a risk to their safety. Prison
wardens certainly, police officers I suspect, battered wives/husbands I
hope.

[Kay Robinson]

On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 18:19:52 +0100, Dave Pickles

Post by Dave Pickles

Post by Roger Mills
Several of my second-cousins are missing - even though it was pre opt-out
and they must surely have been on electoral registers. Can anyone offer a
logical explanation for this?

Certain categories of people were always able to be omitted from the public
version of the Electoral Roll if there was a risk to their safety. Prison
wardens certainly, police officers I suspect, battered wives/husbands I
hope.

If by 'public version' you means versions such as UK Info Disk anyone
has always had the right to ask the pubishers for their details to be
excluded. If you mean the copies held at the towns library, then no.
Everyone who registers is on this version, however, as it can only be
searched street by street finding a single person is nigh impossible.

Why you should include prison warders and policemen I don't know.
Occupations aren't included on the list anyway, and as for battered
wives/husbands, a few I know don't bother to register or change their
name. Specific 'protected' individuals are dealt with by different
methods such as a complete new identity when their life may be
endangered if their whereabouts became known.

Kay

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Give all you can, Take only what you need

[Roger Mills]

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

Post by Kay Robinson
If by 'public version' you means versions such as UK Info Disk anyone
has always had the right to ask the pubishers for their details to be
excluded.

As a matter of interest, how would they have gone about this? In other
words, how could you have identified all the companies who were about to
publish your information, in order to request each of them not to?

[Kay Robinson]

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:48:39 +0100, "Roger Mills"

Post by Roger Mills
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

Post by Kay Robinson
If by 'public version' you means versions such as UK Info Disk anyone
has always had the right to ask the pubishers for their details to be
excluded.

As a matter of interest, how would they have gone about this? In other
words, how could you have identified all the companies who were about to
publish your information, in order to request each of them not to?

Naturally, it would have to apply to future publications, going
ex-directory doesn't have BT re-calling all its past telephone
directories :-)

Kay

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A good end cannot sanctify evil, nor must
we ever do evil that good may come of it.
Force may subdue, but Love gains, and he
that forgives first wins the laurel.

William Penn 1644-1718
-----------------------------------------
Kay Robinson
Give all you can, Take only what you need

[Roger Mills]

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

Post by Kay Robinson
On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:48:39 +0100, "Roger Mills"

Post by Roger Mills
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

Post by Kay Robinson
If by 'public version' you means versions such as UK Info Disk
anyone has always had the right to ask the pubishers for their
details to be excluded.

As a matter of interest, how would they have gone about this? In
other words, how could you have identified all the companies who
were about to publish your information, in order to request each of
them not to?

Naturally, it would have to apply to future publications, going
ex-directory doesn't have BT re-calling all its past telephone
directories :-)
Kay

OK - let me re-phrase the question.

How would you identify each company which had *already* published your data
in order to be able to ask them to exclude you from future editions?

[Kay Robinson]

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:03:37 +0100, "Roger Mills"

Post by Roger Mills
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

Post by Kay Robinson
On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:48:39 +0100, "Roger Mills"

Post by Roger Mills
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

Post by Kay Robinson
If by 'public version' you means versions such as UK Info Disk
anyone has always had the right to ask the pubishers for their
details to be excluded.

As a matter of interest, how would they have gone about this? In
other words, how could you have identified all the companies who
were about to publish your information, in order to request each of
them not to?

Naturally, it would have to apply to future publications, going
ex-directory doesn't have BT re-calling all its past telephone
directories :-)
Kay

OK - let me re-phrase the question.
How would you identify each company which had *already* published your data
in order to be able to ask them to exclude you from future editions?

The Data Protection Act implies that this must be done by writing to
all companies or organisations which you believe may hold data on you,
You must include the statutary fee for the search, not sure what it is
now, Of course it's a thankless, time consuming and expensive
exercise. Of course the act isn't really about giving you rights, it
was just 'sold' that way.

In order to cut some work out you could start by doing a search on
census/electoral software and, hopefully get some hits, however, when
you consider that almost every financial institution, marketing
consultancy, public bodies, and almost anyone you've ever made a
purchase from and Old Uncle Tom Cobbly 'n' all has data on you, you
just might as well leave it.

In the 1980s I worked for a large merchant bank and from what I saw
and was able to access, their claim to have a file on every single
person who had ever had any form of account with any bank, high street
company, etc. I was able to look up how much someone paid for their
electric, gas, rates, on their credit cards and even much of what
their shopping habits and reading habits were. Big Brother has been
with us for a long time,

Don't worry about it though, the hardware contains so much info that
it'd probably take half the population of the UK to search it all, so,
unless you step out of line, consider yourself safe ;-)

Kay

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A good end cannot sanctify evil, nor must
we ever do evil that good may come of it.
Force may subdue, but Love gains, and he
that forgives first wins the laurel.

William Penn 1644-1718
-----------------------------------------
Kay Robinson
Give all you can, Take only what you need

[Roger Mills]

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

Post by Kay Robinson
Don't worry about it though, the hardware contains so much info that
it'd probably take half the population of the UK to search it all, so,
unless you step out of line, consider yourself safe ;-)
Kay

I'm not worried about it per se.

I was curious to know how some of my relatives would have managed to get
themselves excluded from the pre-opt-out versions of Info Disk - if indeed
it was by design rather than accident!

From what you say, it would have been pretty difficult for them to identify
all the organisations holding information about them.

[Kay Robinson]

On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 12:27:06 +0100, "Roger Mills"

Post by Roger Mills
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

Post by Kay Robinson
Don't worry about it though, the hardware contains so much info that
it'd probably take half the population of the UK to search it all, so,
unless you step out of line, consider yourself safe ;-)
Kay

I'm not worried about it per se.
I was curious to know how some of my relatives would have managed to get
themselves excluded from the pre-opt-out versions of Info Disk - if indeed
it was by design rather than accident!

One of several ways, error by the producers, error by the local
authority, deliberate avoidance (thousands did this during the
Thatcher (spit) era, including myself and a few friends). Ive used
three of the UK-Info disks that came with various computer mags and
found a friend or two missing through no fault of theirs.

Post by Roger Mills
From what you say, it would have been pretty difficult for them to identify
all the organisations holding information about them.

When you think that increased use of plastic, debit or credit, at EPS
points and over the internet, and the practise of scanning all
products etc., it's no wonder that there's computers who know
everything we do on a week to week basis, the food we eat, the books
we read, the hobbies we have, how often we bath, indeed, the sky's the
limit on what they can learn.

Even a new world war would be unlikely to obliterate the data.
Locations of the hardware used to back everything up on are a closely
guarded secret.

Kay

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All replies to newsgroup thank you
--------------------------------------------
A good end cannot sanctify evil, nor must
we ever do evil that good may come of it.
Force may subdue, but Love gains, and he
that forgives first wins the laurel.

William Penn 1644-1718
-----------------------------------------
Kay Robinson
Give all you can, Take only what you need

[Phil Wood]

Post by Kay Robinson
If by 'public version' you means versions such as UK Info Disk anyone
has always had the right to ask the pubishers for their details to be
excluded.

You always had that right - but a) you had to know who your details had been
sold to before you could ask them and, b) the publishers could simply ignore
your request.

There was no right to be excluded from the roll and the local councils who
compiled them were encouraged by central government to gain as much income
as possible from them.

The only way to avoid getting on to the junk mail lists was to not register
to vote - a chap took the government to court over this claiming that it was
a breach of his human rights to be denied his democratic right to vote to
avoid unwanted junk mail. He won and the law was changed allowing anyone to
opt for privacy - as of 2004 I think. Since then there have been two
electoral rolls - one that is sold to the junk mail artists and the complete
one.

Post by Kay Robinson
Why you should include prison warders and policemen I don't know.

Because some people were deemed to be at risk if their addresses were
known - such as police and prison officers in N Ireland. Their names were
known to those threatening them but their addresses weren't - to reduce the
chances of them being found they were excluded from the electoral roll.

Phil

[Jeff]

Post by Phil Wood
Because some people were deemed to be at risk if their
addresses were known - such as police and prison officers
in N Ireland. Their names were known to those threatening
them but their addresses weren't - to reduce the chances
of them being found they were excluded from the electoral
roll.
Phil

Didn't one of the early INFO Disks identify those addresses?

[Mike]

Post by Roger Mills
The data disk has to be in the CD drive in order to run the program. Has
anyone found a way of copying the data onto a hard drive, and telling the
program where to find it?

You need ISORecorder
http://tinyurl.com/5p2m

to rip the CD to an .iso file (which you store on your hard drive
somewhere) and then Daemon Tools
http://tinyurl.com/7nx83

to create a 'virtual' CD drive which you point at your .iso

It's all very straightforward and allows you to effectively have as
many CDs in your drive(s) as you want. I use this method all the time.
Re-assign drive letters if you need to, using Disk Management tools
(http://tinyurl.com/zzxn5) assuming you're on XP...

[Roger Mills]

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

Post by Mike

Post by Roger Mills
The data disk has to be in the CD drive in order to run the program.
Has anyone found a way of copying the data onto a hard drive, and
telling the program where to find it?

You need ISORecorder
http://tinyurl.com/5p2m
to rip the CD to an .iso file (which you store on your hard drive
somewhere) and then Daemon Tools
http://tinyurl.com/7nx83
to create a 'virtual' CD drive which you point at your .iso
It's all very straightforward and allows you to effectively have as
many CDs in your drive(s) as you want. I use this method all the time.
Re-assign drive letters if you need to, using Disk Management tools
(http://tinyurl.com/zzxn5) assuming you're on XP...

Thanks for the interesting links - but I rather fear that it may not work in
this case.

Using Disk Management tools, I have renamed my CD drive from F:\ to U:\

I haven't created a virtual CD in the way you described, but I have declared
to folder holding the CD contents to be shareable and have mapped a
'network' drive to it - so that it now answers to 'F:\'

However, when I start the program, it *still* looks for a CD in the CD drive
(which is now U:\). So it seems to be addressing the CD drive at a hardware
level rather than at a logical level.

I also tried to copy the data CD so that I could leave a gash copy - rather
than the original one - in the drive. When Nero went through the simulated
burn process it came up with a host of read errors. I suspect that there's
something non-standard on the CD that only the Info-Disk software can read.

[Data Junkie]

Post by Roger Mills
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

Post by Mike

Post by Roger Mills
The data disk has to be in the CD drive in order to run the program.
Has anyone found a way of copying the data onto a hard drive, and
telling the program where to find it?

You need ISORecorder
http://tinyurl.com/5p2m
to rip the CD to an .iso file (which you store on your hard drive
somewhere) and then Daemon Tools
http://tinyurl.com/7nx83
to create a 'virtual' CD drive which you point at your .iso
It's all very straightforward and allows you to effectively have as
many CDs in your drive(s) as you want. I use this method all the time.
Re-assign drive letters if you need to, using Disk Management tools
(http://tinyurl.com/zzxn5) assuming you're on XP...

Thanks for the interesting links - but I rather fear that it may not work in this case.
Using Disk Management tools, I have renamed my CD drive from F:\ to U:\
I haven't created a virtual CD in the way you described, but I have declared to folder holding the CD contents to be
shareable and have mapped a 'network' drive to it - so that it now answers to 'F:\'
However, when I start the program, it *still* looks for a CD in the CD drive (which is now U:\). So it seems to be
addressing the CD drive at a hardware level rather than at a logical level.
I also tried to copy the data CD so that I could leave a gash copy - rather than the original one - in the drive. When
Nero went through the simulated burn process it came up with a host of read errors. I suspect that there's something
non-standard on the CD that only the Info-Disk software can read.
--
Cheers,
Roger
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Reply address IS valid, but not regularly monitored.

Having acquired Info Disk from 'another place' it required
Alcohol 120% (available from www.alcohol-software.com and 'elsewhere')
to overcome the security for burning.

Data Junkie
(All mail to my address is automatically deleted)

[Hugh Watkins]

Post by Data Junkie

Post by Roger Mills
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,

Post by Mike

Post by Roger Mills
The data disk has to be in the CD drive in order to run the program.
Has anyone found a way of copying the data onto a hard drive, and
telling the program where to find it?

You need ISORecorder
http://tinyurl.com/5p2m
to rip the CD to an .iso file (which you store on your hard drive
somewhere) and then Daemon Tools
http://tinyurl.com/7nx83
to create a 'virtual' CD drive which you point at your .iso
It's all very straightforward and allows you to effectively have as
many CDs in your drive(s) as you want. I use this method all the time.
Re-assign drive letters if you need to, using Disk Management tools
(http://tinyurl.com/zzxn5) assuming you're on XP...

Thanks for the interesting links - but I rather fear that it may not work in this case.
Using Disk Management tools, I have renamed my CD drive from F:\ to U:\
I haven't created a virtual CD in the way you described, but I have declared to folder holding the CD contents to be
shareable and have mapped a 'network' drive to it - so that it now answers to 'F:\'
However, when I start the program, it *still* looks for a CD in the CD drive (which is now U:\). So it seems to be
addressing the CD drive at a hardware level rather than at a logical level.
I also tried to copy the data CD so that I could leave a gash copy - rather than the original one - in the drive. When
Nero went through the simulated burn process it came up with a host of read errors. I suspect that there's something
non-standard on the CD that only the Info-Disk software can read.
--
Cheers,
Roger
______
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Reply address IS valid, but not regularly monitored.

Having acquired Info Disk from 'another place' it required
Alcohol 120% (available from www.alcohol-software.com and 'elsewhere')
to overcome the security for burning.

thanks for the tip DJ
I have a couple of cover disks from Personal Computer World with the
db on them

The real problem for me one naming LAPHAM is the global search limitation

I have several years of research to go before I will be doing a mail
shot to living LAPHAM
because it is essential to have something to offer first
and I have a lot of nineteenth century work to redo
(because it is no more than an outline at this stage which needs to be
redone and deepened)

but I do love global search tools :-)

Hugh W

[Jubster]

Hi Roger, any chance of a look up in your version 7 Uk info disk?
please,please,please!
If you are willing to, the surname is JUBBIE should glean about 25
entries only, if you are or anyone else is able to help pre 2003 data,
please could you email details to me privately,
thanks to any little helpers!
yours sincerely
Paul

[Data Junkie]

Post by Jubster
Hi Roger, any chance of a look up in your version 7 Uk info disk?
please,please,please!
If you are willing to, the surname is JUBBIE should glean about 25
entries only, if you are or anyone else is able to help pre 2003 data,
please could you email details to me privately,
thanks to any little helpers!
yours sincerely
Paul

You keep asking for this look-up and one was offered to you on the
25 March by Lol in the prevoius thread on this subject - perhaps the
offer no longer stands.

Data Junkie
(All mail to my address is automatically deleted)

[Lol]

I sent an e-mail with my address asking what the gentleman would like
exactly - I have a csv file sat waiting to go ...

... but have had no reply so far ?

Post by Data Junkie

Post by Jubster
Hi Roger, any chance of a look up in your version 7 Uk info disk?
please,please,please!
If you are willing to, the surname is JUBBIE should glean about 25
entries only, if you are or anyone else is able to help pre 2003 data,
please could you email details to me privately,
thanks to any little helpers!
yours sincerely
Paul

You keep asking for this look-up and one was offered to you on the
25 March by Lol in the prevoius thread on this subject - perhaps the
offer no longer stands.
Data Junkie
(All mail to my address is automatically deleted)

[Jubster]

Sorry for the confusion everyone,
Roger: thankyou very much for the details from version 7 of uk info,
your help is much appreciated
LoL: i am really sorry, but i never received that email, must be a
glitch somewhere with my mail filters, thanks for offering your help
anyway though, was the csv file also from version 7? thanks again for
your help.

i didn't mean to seem rude by repeating the request, and i apologize
sincerely,

Since wanadoo cancelled their newservers, i have been having to adjust
to using google newsgroups and i am still trying to get the hang of it
all.

thanks again
Paul

[Charani]

Post by Jubster
Since wanadoo cancelled their newservers, i have been having to adjust
to using google newsgroups and i am still trying to get the hang of it
all.

The Wanadoo news server is still available news.svr.pol.co.uk It no
longer carries any Wanadoo or Freeserve newsgroups though.

An alternative is to pay 10 euros for the NIN news server.

[Ali]

Charani suggested

Post by Charani

Post by Jubster
Since wanadoo cancelled their newservers, i have been having to adjust
to using google newsgroups and i am still trying to get the hang of it
all.

The Wanadoo news server is still available news.svr.pol.co.uk It no
longer carries any Wanadoo or Freeserve newsgroups though.
An alternative is to pay 10 euros for the NIN news server.

Or http://news.datemas.de/ is free

[Robert G. Eldridge]

Post by Charani

Post by Jubster
Since wanadoo cancelled their newservers, i have been having to adjust
to using google newsgroups and i am still trying to get the hang of it
all.

The Wanadoo news server is still available news.svr.pol.co.uk It no
longer carries any Wanadoo or Freeserve newsgroups though.
An alternative is to pay 10 euros for the NIN news server.

or have a look at those freely available, listed at:

http://www.disenter.com/

When my ISPs news server was down recently I decided to add a free
server from one I chose from this site (free-text.usenetserver.com)

So now when I retrieve headers and posts I get them from two servers
acting together as one virtual server, allowing me the best possible
access to my newsgroups from both servers.

Of course you have to have newsgroup software capable of accessing
multiple news servers.
Obviously this excludes the OE (AKA 'Outhouse Excuse') users.

[Charani]

Post by Robert G. Eldridge
Of course you have to have newsgroup software capable of accessing
multiple news servers.
Obviously this excludes the OE (AKA 'Outhouse Excuse') users.

I used to be able to do access more than one news server when I was
using OE. Now I use a faster news reader and get posts from 3
different news servers.