Google Groups

[Steve Hayes]

The soc.genealogy.britain groupon GoogleGroups carries the following
notice:

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Banned Content Warning
The group that you are attempting to view (soc.genealogy.britain) has
been identified as containing spam, malware or other malicious
content. Content in this group is now limited to view-only mode for
those with access.

Group owners can request an appeal after they have taken steps to
clean up potentially offensive content in the forum. For more
information about content policies on Google Groups, please see our
Help Centre article on abuse and our Terms of Service.
=====

It seems to me that the people at Google have evaded the issue. Most
of the spammers are those with gmail addresses, and all they wuill do
is move to other groups and destroy them. What they need to do is ban
the spammers, not ban the group.

[John Hill]

Post by Steve Hayes
The soc.genealogy.britain groupon GoogleGroups carries the following
=====
Banned Content Warning
The group that you are attempting to view (soc.genealogy.britain) has
been identified as containing spam, malware or other malicious
content. Content in this group is now limited to view-only mode for
those with access.
Group owners can request an appeal after they have taken steps to
clean up potentially offensive content in the forum. For more
information about content policies on Google Groups, please see our
Help Centre article on abuse and our Terms of Service.
=====
It seems to me that the people at Google have evaded the issue. Most
of the spammers are those with gmail addresses, and all they wuill do
is move to other groups and destroy them. What they need to do is ban
the spammers, not ban the group.

Agree.

Is there a "group owner" for soc.genealogy.britain? There certainly is
no moderator (as we have seen) - nor woud I be willing to take on the
job!

Mind you, Google Groups is not Usenet, much as it would like people to
think it is, and it seem to me that soc.genealogy.britain is working
very nicely for people who have proper usenet readers.

Happy New Year!

J.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by John Hill

Post by Steve Hayes
The soc.genealogy.britain groupon GoogleGroups carries the following
=====
Banned Content Warning
The group that you are attempting to view (soc.genealogy.britain) has
been identified as containing spam, malware or other malicious
content. Content in this group is now limited to view-only mode for
those with access.
Group owners can request an appeal after they have taken steps to
clean up potentially offensive content in the forum. For more
information about content policies on Google Groups, please see our
Help Centre article on abuse and our Terms of Service.
=====
It seems to me that the people at Google have evaded the issue. Most
of the spammers are those with gmail addresses, and all they wuill do
is move to other groups and destroy them. What they need to do is ban
the spammers, not ban the group.

Agree.
Is there a "group owner" for soc.genealogy.britain? There certainly is
no moderator (as we have seen) - nor woud I be willing to take on the
job!
Mind you, Google Groups is not Usenet, much as it would like people to
think it is, and it seem to me that soc.genealogy.britain is working
very nicely for people who have proper usenet readers.

Yes. I think if we lose the Google Groupers we shall not have much
trouble bearing the loss. We might even rejoice.

[Jon Green]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
Yes. I think if we lose the Google Groupers we shall not have much
trouble bearing the loss. We might even rejoice.

Personally, I don't mind the necroposters too much. But I'd be overjoyed
if we could just remove all the "babes" spam and get back to genealogy.
(That said, my filters seem to have removed most of the spam now.)

Jon

[Steve Hayes]

Post by John Hill

Post by Steve Hayes
The soc.genealogy.britain groupon GoogleGroups carries the following
=====
Banned Content Warning
The group that you are attempting to view (soc.genealogy.britain) has
been identified as containing spam, malware or other malicious
content. Content in this group is now limited to view-only mode for
those with access.
Group owners can request an appeal after they have taken steps to
clean up potentially offensive content in the forum. For more
information about content policies on Google Groups, please see our
Help Centre article on abuse and our Terms of Service.
=====
It seems to me that the people at Google have evaded the issue. Most
of the spammers are those with gmail addresses, and all they wuill do
is move to other groups and destroy them. What they need to do is ban
the spammers, not ban the group.

Agree.
Is there a "group owner" for soc.genealogy.britain? There certainly is
no moderator (as we have seen) - nor woud I be willing to take on the
job!

I doubt that there can be a "Group Owner" sinbce no one "owns" usenet
newsgroups. Google decided, on their own initiativew to gate usenet
groups to their GoogleGroups system.

Post by John Hill
Mind you, Google Groups is not Usenet, much as it would like people to
think it is, and it seem to me that soc.genealogy.britain is working
very nicely for people who have proper usenet readers.

Indeed.

The advantage of having newsgroups gated there is that they can be
discovered by people who are interested in genealogy. The
disadvantage, of course, is that they can also be discovered by
spammers.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by John Hill
[ … ]

I doubt that there can be a "Group Owner" sinbce no one "owns" usenet
newsgroups. Google decided, on their own initiativew to gate usenet
groups to their GoogleGroups system.

Post by John Hill
Mind you, Google Groups is not Usenet, much as it would like people to
think it is, and it seem to me that soc.genealogy.britain is working
very nicely for people who have proper usenet readers.

Indeed.
The advantage of having newsgroups gated there is that they can be
discovered by people who are interested in genealogy. The
disadvantage, of course, is that they can also be discovered by
spammers.

You don't need Google Groups for that. Anyone who knows about Usenet
can find this group by searching through the complete list of groups.
That's how I found it.

[MB]

You don't need Google Groups for that. Anyone who knows about Usenet can
find this group by searching through the complete list of groups. That's
how I found it.
--

But the majority of people using the Internet have never heard of USENET,

[Graeme Wall]

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by John Hill
[ … ]

I doubt that there can be a "Group Owner" sinbce no one "owns" usenet
newsgroups. Google decided, on their own initiativew to gate usenet
groups to their GoogleGroups system.

Post by John Hill
Mind you, Google Groups is not Usenet, much as it would like people to
think it is, and  it seem to me that soc.genealogy.britain is working
very nicely for people who have proper usenet readers.

Indeed.
The advantage of having newsgroups gated there is that they can be
discovered by people who are interested in genealogy. The
disadvantage, of course, is that they can also be discovered by
spammers.

You don't need Google Groups for that. Anyone who knows about Usenet can
find this group by searching through the complete list of groups. That's
how I found it.

A lot of people don't realise that.

[MB]

Post by Graeme Wall

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by John Hill
[ … ]

I doubt that there can be a "Group Owner" sinbce no one "owns" usenet
newsgroups. Google decided, on their own initiativew to gate usenet
groups to their GoogleGroups system.

Post by John Hill
Mind you, Google Groups is not Usenet, much as it would like people to
think it is, and  it seem to me that soc.genealogy.britain is working
very nicely for people who have proper usenet readers.

Indeed.
The advantage of having newsgroups gated there is that they can be
discovered by people who are interested in genealogy. The
disadvantage, of course, is that they can also be discovered by
spammers.

You don't need Google Groups for that. Anyone who knows about Usenet
can find this group by searching through the complete list of groups.
That's how I found it.

A lot of people don't realise that.

It is rather like the "old days" when USENET was dominated by academic
users who always seemed to resent anyone else using it even though they
were getting access free at their work when others were probably paying
in some way. It was full of petty arguments about things like top and
bottom posting.

Shouldn't we be trying to attract new users to ensure its survival, so
everything does not disappear onto Farcebook?

[Tony Proctor]

Post by Graeme Wall

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by John Hill
[ … ]

I doubt that there can be a "Group Owner" sinbce no one "owns" usenet
newsgroups. Google decided, on their own initiativew to gate usenet
groups to their GoogleGroups system.

Post by John Hill
Mind you, Google Groups is not Usenet, much as it would like people to
think it is, and  it seem to me that soc.genealogy.britain is working
very nicely for people who have proper usenet readers.

Indeed.
The advantage of having newsgroups gated there is that they can be
discovered by people who are interested in genealogy. The
disadvantage, of course, is that they can also be discovered by
spammers.

You don't need Google Groups for that. Anyone who knows about Usenet can find this group by searching through the complete list of groups. That's
how I found it.

A lot of people don't realise that.

It is rather like the "old days" when USENET was dominated by academic users who always seemed to resent anyone else using it even though they were
getting access free at their work when others were probably paying in some way.  It was full of petty arguments about things like top and bottom posting.
Shouldn't we be trying to attract new users to ensure its survival, so everything does not disappear onto Farcebook?

It's true that s.g.britain has waned since its heyday, but have a look at s.g.computing -- it's virtually dead. Is that a reflection on the likes of
Google Groups and specialist forums being more convenient to the subject than USENET?

Tony

[Steve Hayes]

On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 11:05:00 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
You don't need Google Groups for that. Anyone who knows about Usenet
can find this group by searching through the complete list of groups.
That's how I found it.

Except that a lot of ISPs who claim to offer a "full" Internet service
seem to have dropped support for news and no longer have a news
server, leaving many people with no option but to find an external
server, if they even know that such things exist.

[Evertjan.]

Post by Steve Hayes
On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 11:05:00 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
You don't need Google Groups for that. Anyone who knows about Usenet
can find this group by searching through the complete list of groups.
That's how I found it.

There is, I suspect,
no such thing as a "complete list of Usenet Newsgroups".

Post by Steve Hayes
Except that a lot of ISPs who claim to offer a "full" Internet service
seem to have dropped support for news and no longer have a news
server, leaving many people with no option but to find an external
server, if they even know that such things exist.

Lack of navigational knowledge should be countered by providing routing
information, not by offering inferior detours.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by Evertjan.

Post by Steve Hayes
On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 11:05:00 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
You don't need Google Groups for that. Anyone who knows about Usenet

(As someone else said, that's now a vanishingly tiny proportion of those
who use the internet - especially of those who use the web.)

Post by Evertjan.

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
can find this group by searching through the complete list of groups.
That's how I found it.

There is, I suspect,
no such thing as a "complete list of Usenet Newsgroups".

(-: I suspect he means the list offered by his news client, which is
probably an agglomeration of the lists offered by the news servers he
uses.

Post by Evertjan.

Post by Steve Hayes
Except that a lot of ISPs who claim to offer a "full" Internet service

I haven't seen the expression 'a "full" Internet service' for years - if
ever (-:. These days, they tend to just call it "broadband". Some don't
even offer email! (Some - I think PlusNet is one - have email available
but only if [new customers this is] you ask for it when signing up.)

Post by Evertjan.

Post by Steve Hayes
seem to have dropped support for news and no longer have a news
server, leaving many people with no option but to find an external
server, if they even know that such things exist.

Lack of navigational knowledge should be countered by providing routing
information, not by offering inferior detours.

JPG
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How about a three-way referendum, allowing second choices?
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[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Evertjan.

Post by Steve Hayes
On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 11:05:00 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
You don't need Google Groups for that. Anyone who knows about Usenet

(As someone else said, that's now a vanishingly tiny proportion of
those who use the internet - especially of those who use the web.)

Post by Evertjan.

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
can find this group by searching through the complete list of groups.
That's how I found it.

There is, I suspect,
no such thing as a "complete list of Usenet Newsgroups".

(-: I suspect he means the list offered by his news client, which is
probably an agglomeration of the lists offered by the news servers he
uses.

Of course.

[MB]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I haven't seen the expression 'a "full" Internet service' for years - if
ever (-:. These days, they tend to just call it "broadband". Some don't
even offer email! (Some - I think PlusNet is one - have email available
but only if [new customers this is] you ask for it when signing up.)

I suppose it is a full service if they do not block anything. Not all
provide a TV service but they do not stop you connecting to iPlayer.

[Ian Goddard]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Steve Hayes
On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 11:05:00 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
You don't need Google Groups for that. Anyone who knows about Usenet

(As someone else said, that's now a vanishingly tiny proportion of those
who use the internet - especially of those who use the web.)

It's 100% of us.

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I haven't seen the expression 'a "full" Internet service' for years - if
ever (-:. These days, they tend to just call it "broadband". Some don't
even offer email! (Some - I think PlusNet is one - have email available
but only if [new customers this is] you ask for it when signing up.)

PlusNet offer Usenet which is what I'm using now.

I gave up using an ISP email address years ago. I used to have an
excellent ISP who were taken over and taken over again going steadily
downhill most of the time and they then ended up with TalkTalk who
started restricting UseNet speeds to around zero at the times I wanted
to use it. I lost my old ISP email address when I jumped ship.

One has far more control with a personal domain (Hotmail which I use
here is just a spam bin). With my own domain I could change ISP again
when the next one, Be, got sold to Sky.

If the personal domain provider doesn't perform it's possible to move
the domain to someone else who does which is how I ended up using Mythic
Beasts (Hi, Richard).

Ian

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by Ian Goddard

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Steve Hayes
On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 11:05:00 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
You don't need Google Groups for that. Anyone who knows about Usenet

(As someone else said, that's now a vanishingly tiny proportion of
those who use the internet - especially of those who use the web.)

It's 100% of us.

Obviously. (Though some here are not using conventional news clients -
and in a _few_ cases, successfully [though not in most].)

Post by Ian Goddard

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I haven't seen the expression 'a "full" Internet service' for years
- if ever (-:. These days, they tend to just call it "broadband".
Some don't even offer email! (Some - I think PlusNet is one - have
email available but only if [new customers this is] you ask for it
when signing up.)

PlusNet offer Usenet which is what I'm using now.

I too am with them. Though they don't allow use of "their" usenet server
- even with authentication - when connected via a non-PlusNet
connection; I'm staying with a (TalkTalk) friend now, for example. (And
thus using E-S.)

Post by Ian Goddard
I gave up using an ISP email address years ago. I used to have an
excellent ISP who were taken over and taken over again going steadily

I suspect it happens to all (that are any good in the first place); I
was with Demon. PlusNet still are fair, but way down on what they were.

Post by Ian Goddard
downhill most of the time and they then ended up with TalkTalk who
started restricting UseNet speeds to around zero at the times I wanted
to use it. I lost my old ISP email address when I jumped ship.
One has far more control with a personal domain (Hotmail which I use
here is just a spam bin). With my own domain I could change ISP again
when the next one, Be, got sold to Sky.
If the personal domain provider doesn't perform it's possible to move
the domain to someone else who does which is how I ended up using
Mythic Beasts (Hi, Richard).

And I'm with TSOhost.

Post by Ian Goddard
Ian

John
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[Jon Green]

Post by John Hill
Is there a "group owner" for soc.genealogy.britain? There certainly is
no moderator (as we have seen) - nor woud I be willing to take on the
job!

I maintain the FAQs, but past that have no kind of authority over the
anarcho-syndicalist collective that is soc.genealogy.britain.

Jon