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Golding
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Tobes
2005-08-05 17:32:47 UTC
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Is anyone aware of the origins of the above surname?
Roy Stockdill
2005-08-05 20:04:51 UTC
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Is anyone aware of the origins of the above surname?>
There is no simple answer to such a question. The explanations you
will find in the traditional, standard surname dictionaries are too
simplistic. However, for what it's worth, Patrick Hanks &
Flavia Hodges in the Oxford Dictionary of Surnames say that Golding
is either.....

1) English, from the late Old English personal name Golding, a
patronymic from 'Golda' .

or.....

2) Jewish (Ashkernazic), a habitation name from Golding, the Yiddish
name of the town of Kuldiga in Latvia.

Golding (like Gold and other variants) is undoubtedly a name borne
by many descendants of Jewish immigrants into Britain who at some
stage anglicised their surname. However, as I said, this is much too
simplistic.

I am a devotee of the theories of George Redmonds, probably the
world's leading surnames expert (certainly on British surnames) who
maintains that you can only truly explain the derivation of any
surname by tracing the antecedents of each and every holder back to
their origins in actual records. The etymologists tend to make leaps
of faith by trying to relate surnames to word meanings, but they are
quite often wrong and neglect to look for the factual evidence.

Roy Stockdill
Web page of the Guild of One-Name Studies:- www.one-name.org
Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History:- www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html

"Familiarity breeds contempt - and children."

Mark Twain
Tobes
2005-08-05 21:18:13 UTC
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Wow, I didn't expect such a comprehensive answer, thank you very much!

<feels a little daunted at just starting out to research family
history!>
Roy Stockdill
2005-08-05 22:58:48 UTC
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Post by Tobes
Wow, I didn't expect such a comprehensive answer, thank you very much!
<feels a little daunted at just starting out to research family
history!>>
Well, fine, and welcome to our great hobby. But could I suggest you
go out and buy a decent book first on how to trace your family
history? There are lots of them around and some are mentioned in my
Newbies' Guide (URL in my signature) which you may also find useful.

Asking the meaning of your surname is not really a very good start,
since the vast majority of surnames were formed in the Middle Ages
and are a poor guide to where the holders of a particular name may be
today. Nor, indeed, do the official dictionary definitions indicate
where a particular family may have come from, since many of them are
pure guesswork.

There is only one way to pursue family history and your ancestry,
which is to start with yourself and work backwards via your parents,
grandparents, great-grandparents etc, proving each link as you go and
working backwards a generation a time until you go as far as you can
in the General Register Office records of births, marriages and
deaths, which should hopefully get you somewhere back to the 1840s or
thereabouts. You use these in conjunction with the census returns.

Before 1837 you are reliant upon parish registers, which we can tell
you more about when you've got that far. But why don't you read my
Newbies' Guide first, then ask again?

Roy Stockdill
Web page of the Guild of One-Name Studies:- www.one-name.org
Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History:- www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html

"There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about,
and that is not being talked about."

Oscar Wilde
Tobes
2005-08-07 01:52:19 UTC
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Thanks again. I was just interested in a general history of the name
before actually delving into MY family history. Thanks for the links!
John Townsend
2005-08-06 07:49:52 UTC
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"Roy Stockdill" wrote (snipped)
There is no simple answer to such a question. The explanations you will
find in the traditional, standard surname dictionaries are too simplistic.
However, for what it's worth, Patrick Hanks & Flavia Hodges in the Oxford
Dictionary of Surnames say that Golding is either.....
1) English, from the late Old English personal name Golding, a patronymic
from 'Golda' .
or.....
2) Jewish (Ashkernazic), a habitation name from Golding, the Yiddish name
of the town of Kuldiga in Latvia.

Does not one of the above two explanations seem rather more likely than the
other? Reaney, who devoted a lifetime's work to the study of British
surnames, also notes that the name is derived from the Old English "Golding"
and gives examples going back to the early 13th century. I would suggest,
therefore, that this is the derivation in most cases where the name has been
used in Britain.

Best wishes,

John Townsend
Genealogist/Antiquarian Bookseller
http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk
Roy Stockdill
2005-08-06 10:14:23 UTC
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Post by John Townsend
"Roy Stockdill" wrote (snipped)
There is no simple answer to such a question. The explanations you will
find in the traditional, standard surname dictionaries are too simplistic.
However, for what it's worth, Patrick Hanks & Flavia Hodges in the Oxford
Dictionary of Surnames say that Golding is either.....
1) English, from the late Old English personal name Golding, a patronymic
from 'Golda' .
or.....
2) Jewish (Ashkernazic), a habitation name from Golding, the Yiddish name
of the town of Kuldiga in Latvia.
Does not one of the above two explanations seem rather more likely than the
other? Reaney, who devoted a lifetime's work to the study of British
surnames, also notes that the name is derived from the Old English "Golding"
and gives examples going back to the early 13th century. I would suggest,
therefore, that this is the derivation in most cases where the name has been
used in Britain.>
I tend to agree with you, John, though I think you will find that
Golding is also a Jewish name, like Gold and Goldman.

I too am an admirer of Reaney's work, but since becoming a fan of
George Redmonds' approach to surname origins I am beginning to look
at some of his definitions with a slightly more critical eye. George
has demonstrated to me several cases in which Reaney was patently
wrong. An example......

Reaney describes the surname SHACKLETON (which I have in my own
ancestry) as deriving from a place in North Yorkshire called
SCACKLETON. This is nonsense, since the surname is barely found at
all in North Yorkshire in records but is overwhelmingly a name of the
West Riding of Yorkshire, deriving from a hamlet called
Shackletonstall in the Calder Valley, above Hebden Bridge. It is very
probably a single-origin surname that ramified from the Calder Valley
into Keighley and Bradford, where it is common.

George Redmonds' objections - and I agree with him - to some of the
definitions in the standard surname dictionaries is that the writers
are deriving them only from the etymology and not by tracing them
back to the original holder in records (an exceedingly difficult task
in many cases, I grant you!).

Roy Stockdill
Web page of the Guild of One-Name Studies:- www.one-name.org
Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History:- www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html

"Familiarity breeds contempt - and children."

Mark Twain
Barbara J.Kolle
2005-08-06 08:41:34 UTC
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Post by Tobes
Is anyone aware of the origins of the above surname?
May I ask if you're researching this name? I have an interest in it
through my 2xgrt.grandmother Alice (c1831-1850) born Whitehaven,
Cul.,, daughter of Henry Golding and Jane nee Coulthard.
Happy to exchange details.
Regards.....Barbara
Barbara Kolle
E-mail ***@optusnet.com.au
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
http://member.melbpc.org.au/~dkolle
Tobes
2005-08-07 01:57:19 UTC
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You may; I am! :)

I would be most happy to make an exchange, but I fear at this stage I
will not be of much help for I know little presently. When I have found
out a little more, it would be interesting, for certain. :)
Barbara J.Kolle
2005-08-07 06:20:33 UTC
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Post by Tobes
You may; I am! :)
I would be most happy to make an exchange, but I fear at this stage I
will not be of much help for I know little presently. When I have found
out a little more, it would be interesting, for certain. :)
Then I shall look forward to that day :-) Good luck - am sure you're
going to enjoy the interesting journey.
Kind regards...Barbara
Barbara Kolle
E-mail ***@optusnet.com.au
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
http://member.melbpc.org.au/~dkolle

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