Talking of surnames ...

[Jenny M Benson]

Can't help chuckling over (and feeling a bit sorry for) the chap I came
across a few days ago whose name was William Dover Soley.

[Evertjan.]

Post by Jenny M Benson
Can't help chuckling over (and feeling a bit sorry for) the chap I came
across a few days ago whose name was William Dover Soley.

Whereas Ben is just Hebrew for Son.

Has Brexit gone so introspective, that Dover soley feels as foreign?

[Ian Goddard]

Post by Evertjan.

Post by Jenny M Benson
Can't help chuckling over (and feeling a bit sorry for) the chap I came
across a few days ago whose name was William Dover Soley.

Whereas Ben is just Hebrew for Son.
Has Brexit gone so introspective, that Dover soley feels as foreign?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dover_sole

[Evertjan.]

Post by Ian Goddard

Post by Evertjan.

Post by Jenny M Benson
Can't help chuckling over (and feeling a bit sorry for) the chap I came
across a few days ago whose name was William Dover Soley.

Whereas Ben is just Hebrew for Son.
Has Brexit gone so introspective, that Dover soley feels as foreign?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dover_sole

Is shows, you feel people living in a neighbour country need to be taught
about fishing, as you are confident fishing is a British craft.

[Jenny M Benson]

Post by Evertjan.

Post by Ian Goddard

Post by Evertjan.

Post by Jenny M Benson
Can't help chuckling over (and feeling a bit sorry for) the chap I came
across a few days ago whose name was William Dover Soley.

Whereas Ben is just Hebrew for Son.
Has Brexit gone so introspective, that Dover soley feels as foreign?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dover_sole

Is shows, you feel people living in a neighbour country need to be taught
about fishing, as you are confident fishing is a British craft.

Excuse my bluntness, but that's rot.

[Evertjan.]

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Evertjan.

Post by Ian Goddard

Post by Evertjan.

Post by Jenny M Benson
Can't help chuckling over (and feeling a bit sorry for) the chap I came
across a few days ago whose name was William Dover Soley.

Whereas Ben is just Hebrew for Son.
Has Brexit gone so introspective, that Dover soley feels as foreign?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dover_sole

Is shows, you feel people living in a neighbour country need to be taught
about fishing, as you are confident fishing is a British craft.

Excuse my bluntness, but that's rot.

Of course.

England and the Dutch republic fought 5 wars about it,
but I think a little smile suffices here.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Dutch_Wars>

[Undoubtedly you knew that already.]

[Chris Pitt Lewis]

Post by Jenny M Benson
Can't help chuckling over (and feeling a bit sorry for) the chap I came
across a few days ago whose name was William Dover Soley.

This is nothing compared to the Fish family in New England and New York,
who for at least three generations thought it appropriate to use the
given name "Preserved":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preserved_Fish

[John Hill]

Post by Chris Pitt Lewis

Post by Jenny M Benson
Can't help chuckling over (and feeling a bit sorry for) the chap I came
across a few days ago whose name was William Dover Soley.

This is nothing compared to the Fish family in New England and New York,
who for at least three generations thought it appropriate to use the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preserved_Fish

Better than "Canned", i suppose.

J.

[Graeme Wall]

Post by John Hill

Post by Chris Pitt Lewis

Post by Jenny M Benson
Can't help chuckling over (and feeling a bit sorry for) the chap I came
across a few days ago whose name was William Dover Soley.

This is nothing compared to the Fish family in New England and New York,
who for at least three generations thought it appropriate to use the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preserved_Fish

Better than "Canned", i suppose.

Don't think you will find "Canned" in the old testament.

[Jenny M Benson]

Post by Graeme Wall

Post by John Hill

Post by Chris Pitt Lewis
This is nothing compared to the Fish family in New England and New York,
who for at least three generations thought it appropriate to use the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preserved_Fish

Better than "Canned", i suppose.

Don't think you will find "Canned" in the old testament.

I once read a book about names in which it was said that the Puritans
often named their children with whole phrases such as "He who is a
sinner is condemned" or "He who loves the Lord will be blessed" (1) and
these names would be abbreviated for everyday use. Those became known
as "Sinner" or similar had a tendency to grown up to be wrong-doers,
whereas those with names like "Blessed" would be honest, upright citizens

I wonder if Preserved Fish kept his youthful looks into old age!

(1) I made up these up.

[Ian Goddard]

Post by Jenny M Benson
I once read a book about names in which it was said that the Puritans
often named their children with whole phrases such as "He who is a
sinner is condemned" or "He who loves the Lord will be blessed" (1) and
these names would be abbreviated for everyday use.  Those became known
as "Sinner" or similar had a tendency to grown up to be wrong-doers,
whereas those with names like "Blessed" would be honest, upright citizens

A mid C17th vicar of Almondbury gave a son the puritan name of "Who God
Will" which continued for a generation. ISTR the younger got into some
sort of trouble (I think it was affray as recorded in the MRs). The odd
thing is that a vicar of puritan inclination should have continued to
keep the registers in Latin using Latinised forms of names so the
records were actually QuodDeusVult".

Ian

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Ian Goddard

Post by Jenny M Benson
I once read a book about names in which it was said that the Puritans
often named their children with whole phrases such as "He who is a
sinner is condemned" or "He who loves the Lord will be blessed" (1) and
these names would be abbreviated for everyday use.  Those became known
as "Sinner" or similar had a tendency to grown up to be wrong-doers,
whereas those with names like "Blessed" would be honest, upright citizens

A mid C17th vicar of Almondbury gave a son the puritan name of "Who God
Will" which continued for a generation. ISTR the younger got into some
sort of trouble (I think it was affray as recorded in the MRs). The
odd thing is that a vicar of puritan inclination should have continued
to keep the registers in Latin using Latinised forms of names so the
records were actually QuodDeusVult".

If I remember rightly, Wolfgang Gottlieb Mozart was entered in the
register as Theophilus but is usually known as Amadeus.

[Graeme Wall]

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Graeme Wall

Post by John Hill

Post by Chris Pitt Lewis
This is nothing compared to the Fish family in New England and New York,
who for at least three generations thought it appropriate to use the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preserved_Fish

Better than "Canned", i suppose.

Don't think you will find "Canned" in the old testament.

I once read a book about names in which it was said that the Puritans
often named their children with whole phrases such as "He who is a
sinner is condemned" or "He who loves the Lord will be blessed" (1) and
these names would be abbreviated for everyday use.  Those became known
as "Sinner" or similar had a tendency to grown up to be wrong-doers,
whereas those with names like "Blessed" would be honest, upright citizens
I wonder if Preserved Fish kept his youthful looks into old age!
(1) I made up these up.

There was the famous MP, Praise-God Barebone who's older brother was
Fear-God Barebone.

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Graeme Wall

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by Graeme Wall

Post by John Hill

Post by Chris Pitt Lewis
This is nothing compared to the Fish family in New England and New York,
who for at least three generations thought it appropriate to use the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preserved_Fish

Better than "Canned", i suppose.

Don't think you will find "Canned" in the old testament.

I once read a book about names in which it was said that the Puritans
often named their children with whole phrases such as "He who is a
sinner is condemned" or "He who loves the Lord will be blessed" (1) and
these names would be abbreviated for everyday use.  Those became known
as "Sinner" or similar had a tendency to grown up to be wrong-doers,
whereas those with names like "Blessed" would be honest, upright citizens
I wonder if Preserved Fish kept his youthful looks into old age!
(1) I made up these up.

There was the famous MP, Praise-God Barebone who's older brother was
Fear-God Barebone.

In the 1950s my parents knew someone called Barbara, who was the
youngest of four sisters, called Faith, Hope, Charity and Barbara. By
the time they reached No. 4 her parents appear to have run out of
suitable names.

[Ian Goddard]

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
In the 1950s my parents knew someone called Barbara, who was the
youngest of four sisters, called Faith, Hope, Charity and Barbara. By
the time they reached No. 4 her parents appear to have run out of
suitable names.

Depending on when the first of them was born is it possible they had a
connection with Malta?

Ian

[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by Ian Goddard

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
In the 1950s my parents knew someone called Barbara, who was the
youngest of four sisters, called Faith, Hope, Charity and Barbara. By
the time they reached No. 4 her parents appear to have run out of
suitable names.

Depending on when the first of them was born is it possible they had a
connection with Malta?

Not that I know of. My parents first met in Malta, but that was a lot earlier.

[Graeme Wall]

Post by Ian Goddard

Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
In the 1950s my parents knew someone called Barbara, who was the
youngest of four sisters, called Faith, Hope, Charity and Barbara. By
the time they reached No. 4 her parents appear to have run out of
suitable names.

Depending on when the first of them was born is it possible they had a
connection with Malta?

Are you implying the first three were a bit flighty?

[Ian Goddard]

Post by Graeme Wall
Are you implying the first three were a bit flighty?

;)

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <***@mid.individual.net>, Athel Cornish-Bowden
<***@imm.cnrs.fr> writes:
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Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
In the 1950s my parents knew someone called Barbara, who was the
youngest of four sisters, called Faith, Hope, Charity and Barbara. By
the time they reached No. 4 her parents appear to have run out of
suitable names.

I have in my tree at least one Thirza/Thirzen, which I'm pretty sure
means thirteenth. (She's the twelfth that I know of, but I could easily
be unaware of one.) The other 11 (that I know of) are conventional
names.

(Not that this is anything new, of course: Quintus, Sextus, Septimus,
and Octavia[n] - and variations - were not at all uncommon in Roman
times.)

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[Athel Cornish-Bowden]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
In the 1950s my parents knew someone called Barbara, who was the
youngest of four sisters, called Faith, Hope, Charity and Barbara. By
the time they reached No. 4 her parents appear to have run out of
suitable names.

I have in my tree at least one Thirza/Thirzen, which I'm pretty sure
means thirteenth. (She's the twelfth that I know of, but I could easily
be unaware of one.) The other 11 (that I know of) are conventional
names.
(Not that this is anything new, of course: Quintus, Sextus, Septimus,
and Octavia[n] - and variations - were not at all uncommon in Roman
times.)

An ancestor of mine (Rev. Francis Wollaston, Archdeacon, F.R.S.) had 17
children, of whom the seventh and last son was called Henry Septimus
Hyde and the tenth and last daughter was called Louisa Decima Hyde (all
the 17 had Hyde as the last given name). I've sometimes wondered how
they knew that Henry would be the last son and Louisa would be the last
daughter.

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
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(Where has the "treat northern Ireland differently" option gone?)
Three- (or four-) way referendum, if we _have_ to have another one.
--
Petitions are still unfair.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/232770 255soft.uk #fairpetitions

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <***@mid.individual.net>, Athel Cornish-Bowden
<***@imm.cnrs.fr> writes:
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Post by Athel Cornish-Bowden
An ancestor of mine (Rev. Francis Wollaston, Archdeacon, F.R.S.) had 17
children, of whom the seventh and last son was called Henry Septimus
Hyde and the tenth and last daughter was called Louisa Decima Hyde (all
the 17 had Hyde as the last given name). I've sometimes wondered how
they knew that Henry would be the last son and Louisa would be the last
daughter.

[]
I don't see why those names imply they knew they would be the last of
each.

[Evertjan.]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I have in my tree at least one Thirza/Thirzen, which I'm pretty sure
means thirteenth. (She's the twelfth that I know of, but I could easily
be unaware of one.) The other 11 (that I know of) are conventional
names.

Tirzah/Tirtzah [Biblical Hebrew] = “favourable”

1) one of the 7 daughters of Zelophehad the son of Hepher of the tribe of
Manasseh (noun proper feminine)

2) one of the kingdoms on the west of the Jordan conquered by Joshua and the
Israelites (noun proper locative)

3) a Canaanite city, later capital of the northern kingdom of Israel (noun
proper locative)

<https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/H8656/Tirts
ah.htm>