Where is Ingleton?

Post by Steve Hayes
Can anyone give me a clearer idea of where it was?

There is more than one Ingleton

North Yorkshire
OS Grid Ref: SD 69575 73262

Count Durham
OS Grid Ref: NZ 17288 20545

Then of course counties boundaries have also moved!

Steve Hayes

2020-04-20 04:00:06 UTC

Post by Steve Hayes
Can anyone give me a clearer idea of where it was?

There is more than one Ingleton
North Yorkshire
OS Grid Ref: SD 69575 73262
Count Durham
OS Grid Ref: NZ 17288 20545
Then of course counties boundaries have also moved!

So if someone lived in Lancashire in the 19th century and was born in
Ingleton, Yorkshire, would they be more likely to have been born in
the North Eiding one or the West Ruiding one?

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http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com
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john

2020-04-20 08:20:04 UTC

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Steve Hayes
Can anyone give me a clearer idea of where it was?

There is more than one Ingleton
North Yorkshire
OS Grid Ref: SD 69575 73262
Count Durham
OS Grid Ref: NZ 17288 20545
Then of course counties boundaries have also moved!

So if someone lived in Lancashire in the 19th century and was born in
Ingleton, Yorkshire, would they be more likely to have been born in
the North Eiding one or the West Ruiding one?

If you are asking about someone born after 1837, why don't you use
FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk to find out which district their
birth was registered in? You can use this list
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/index.html to find the names of
the parishes within that registration district.

If you have found them in a census record in Ingleton in the District of
Settle it is very unlikely but not impossible they moved to the Ingleton
in Teesdale District

This is an alternative list of place names to Parloc
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/places/index.html

J. P. Gilliver (John)

2020-04-20 15:51:46 UTC

On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 10:20:04, john <***@s145802280.onlinehome.fr>
wrote:
[]

Post by john
If you are asking about someone born after 1837, why don't you use
FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk to find out which district their
birth was registered in? You can use this list
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/index.html to find the names of
the parishes within that registration district.

[]
Or, if you've found the entry in FreeBMD, clicking on the placename
shown - and then on "... can be found <here>." - will take you direct to
the list of parishes, without needing to work through the above index.

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Steve Hayes

2020-04-22 11:46:59 UTC

On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 16:51:46 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[]

Which I mentioned doing in my original question, noting that it had
added to my confustion,

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john

2020-04-22 13:07:41 UTC

Post by Steve Hayes
On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 16:51:46 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[]

Which I mentioned doing in my original question, noting that it had
added to my confustion,

You seem to be making assumptions rather than looking at all the
information you have found.

What registration district did you get from the FreeBMD search, if you
did one, for the birth registration district?
It wasn't Ingleton as that isn't a registration district (and isn't in
the list of districts on the FreeBMD search page).
Ingleton doesn't appear in the list at
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/index.html.

https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/index.html REGISTRATION DISTRICTS IN
ENGLAND AND WALES states Registration county (many districts crossed
county boundaries, but were classed wholly in one county for
registration and census purposes). Many towns have changed counties and
registration counties; some had different parts in different
registration districts. You just need to look at the Table 2 which
usually accompanies each Registration District to see the changes over time.

Originally you only mentioned finding individuals in census records but
even there you didn't look at, or ignored, the registration district of
the census record.

The entry for that district in
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/index.html would have given you
detailed information, including the county, at the top of the page.
Clicking on the County for the Civil Parish in Table 1 would given you
historical information on that county.

Had you then looked at a good map you would have seen where, physically
it was. Links to useful detailed maps were given in reply to your
original query.

So you have confused yourself by not looking at, and understanding, all
the facts in front of you

and, to help you with trying to sort out Yorkshire:
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorkshire_(disambiguation)
Place-names in England derived from the historical county name
East Riding of Yorkshire, a traditional division of the British county
and the name of a unitary authority in England since 1996
East Yorkshire (district), a local government district in England
between 1974 and 1996
North Riding of Yorkshire, a traditional division of the British county
and an administrative county in England between 1889 and 1974
North Yorkshire, a non-metropolitan county and (larger) ceremonial
county in England since 1974
South Yorkshire, a metropolitan county in England since 1974
West Riding of Yorkshire, a traditional division of the British county
and an administrative county in England between 1889 and 1974
West Yorkshire, a metropolitan county in England since 1974
Yorkshire (UK Parliament constituency) (1290-1832)
Yorkshire and the Humber, government office region of England, created
in 1994 as Yorkshire and Humberside
Yorkshire and the Humber (European Parliament constituency), created in 1999

Charles Ellson

2020-04-22 18:55:08 UTC

On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:07:41 +0200, john

Post by Steve Hayes
On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 16:51:46 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[]

Which I mentioned doing in my original question, noting that it had
added to my confustion,

It was a sub-district of Settle registration district from 1837 to
1946 :- https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/settle.html

Post by john
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/index.html REGISTRATION DISTRICTS IN
ENGLAND AND WALES states Registration county (many districts crossed
county boundaries, but were classed wholly in one county for
registration and census purposes). Many towns have changed counties and
registration counties; some had different parts in different
registration districts. You just need to look at the Table 2 which
usually accompanies each Registration District to see the changes over time.
Originally you only mentioned finding individuals in census records but
even there you didn't look at, or ignored, the registration district of
the census record.
The entry for that district in
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/index.html would have given you
detailed information, including the county, at the top of the page.
Clicking on the County for the Civil Parish in Table 1 would given you
historical information on that county.
Had you then looked at a good map you would have seen where, physically
it was. Links to useful detailed maps were given in reply to your
original query.
So you have confused yourself by not looking at, and understanding, all
the facts in front of you
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorkshire_(disambiguation)
Place-names in England derived from the historical county name
East Riding of Yorkshire, a traditional division of the British county
and the name of a unitary authority in England since 1996
East Yorkshire (district), a local government district in England
between 1974 and 1996
North Riding of Yorkshire, a traditional division of the British county
and an administrative county in England between 1889 and 1974
North Yorkshire, a non-metropolitan county and (larger) ceremonial
county in England since 1974
South Yorkshire, a metropolitan county in England since 1974
West Riding of Yorkshire, a traditional division of the British county
and an administrative county in England between 1889 and 1974
West Yorkshire, a metropolitan county in England since 1974
Yorkshire (UK Parliament constituency) (1290-1832)
Yorkshire and the Humber, government office region of England, created
in 1994 as Yorkshire and Humberside
Yorkshire and the Humber (European Parliament constituency), created in 1999

Steve Hayes

2020-04-24 09:09:23 UTC

On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:07:41 +0200, john

Post by Steve Hayes
Which I mentioned doing in my original question, noting that it had
added to my confustion,

You seem to be making assumptions. I have already pointed out that I
had already pointed out which registration district I got from the
FreeBMD search:

https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/teesdale.html

if I did one, which I did and found

https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/teesdale.html

for the birth registration district which happened to be:

https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/teesdale.html

Post by john
(many districts crossed
county boundaries, but were classed wholly in one county for
registration and census purposes). Many towns have changed counties and
registration counties; some had different parts in different
registration districts. You just need to look at the Table 2 which
usually accompanies each Registration District to see the changes over time.

Quite, and for that very reason I was asking which COUNTY Ingleton was
in, regardless of its regitration distict (apparently Teesdale).

The census page I looked at showed where the person I was looking at
lived at the time of the census itself, and gives detailed information
about that, which happened to be in Lancashire, and did not give such
information about their stated place of birth, viz Ingleton in
Yorkshire.

And different sources give different locations for Ingleton in
Yorkshire, namely Teeside Registration District, West Riding of
Yorkshire and North Yorkshire. .

Post by john
North Riding of Yorkshire, a traditional division of the British county
and an administrative county in England between 1889 and 1974
North Yorkshire, a non-metropolitan county and (larger) ceremonial
county in England since 1974

So my question is, does anyone know if that {larger} could have
indicated an enlargement to include an Ingleton that was previously in
the West Riding of Yorkshire?

--
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http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

Charles Ellson

2020-04-24 13:13:03 UTC

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 11:09:23 +0200, Steve Hayes

Post by Charles Ellson
On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 15:07:41 +0200, john

Post by Steve Hayes
Which I mentioned doing in my original question, noting that it had
added to my confustion,

You seem to be making assumptions. I have already pointed out that I
had already pointed out which registration district I got from the
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/teesdale.html
if I did one, which I did and found
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/teesdale.html
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/teesdale.html

Quite, and for that very reason I was asking which COUNTY Ingleton was
in, regardless of its regitration distict (apparently Teesdale).
The census page I looked at showed where the person I was looking at
lived at the time of the census itself, and gives detailed information
about that, which happened to be in Lancashire, and did not give such
information about their stated place of birth, viz Ingleton in
Yorkshire.
And different sources give different locations for Ingleton in
Yorkshire, namely Teeside Registration District, West Riding of
Yorkshire and North Yorkshire. .

So my question is, does anyone know if that {larger} could have
indicated an enlargement to include an Ingleton that was previously in
the West Riding of Yorkshire?

You might need an old map or the time to go through the nearest
appropriate census to see which county is at the top of the page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingleton,_North_Yorkshire describes
Ingleton as bordering Lancashire on the north while currently lying in
North Yorkshire. Registration districts originated from Poor Law
districts not local government areas and in many places spanned county
boundaries. The relative lack of "Ingleton, West Yorkshire" hits
suggests that is a descriptive left half v. right half description not
a prescriptive description of which Riding it was/is in. If you are
looking at a BMD register entry then the location in the where
born/died tends to be more accurate than the district/sub-district; a
marriage register entry will tell you where the church is located
which can sometimes be on the "wrong" side of the line in a
cross-border parish. I have some registrations where a registration
district spans three counties or two countries (IIRC Wrecsam managed
to do both at one time) because of the way that Poor Law districts
were arranged.

Richard Smith

2020-04-24 22:34:13 UTC

Post by Steve Hayes
And different sources give different locations for Ingleton in
Yorkshire, namely Teeside Registration District, West Riding of
Yorkshire and North Yorkshire. .

You don't mean the Teesside Registration District. There was such a
district, but it was a later creation centred on the lower part of the
River Tees, around Middlesbrough. The registration district you are
referring to is Teesdale, which was centred on the upper part of the
river, around Barnard Castle. Both districts spanned County Durham and
the North Riding, however Ingleton in Yorkshire was in neither. The
Ingleton in County Durham was in the Teesdale district.

Richard

Steve Hayes

2020-04-25 05:43:33 UTC

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 23:34:13 +0100, Richard Smith

Post by Steve Hayes
And different sources give different locations for Ingleton in
Yorkshire, namely Teeside Registration District, West Riding of
Yorkshire and North Yorkshire. .

Yep, my error. I probably typed "Teeside" because I'm more familiar
with it, having visited it and ridden in the vehicles of the Teeside
Railless Traction Company (should "railless have one l or two?). It
was Teesdale I meant.

--
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Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/
http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

2020-04-25 06:38:14 UTC

I know from when previously researching my family, that the county
boundaries and their changes in that area are quite complicated.

Both YORKSGEN and the North Riding of Yorkshire Genealogy Group survived
the ending of ROOTSWEB. You might be better asking there and getting
some local knowledge.

Richard Smith

2020-04-25 15:11:32 UTC

Post by Steve Hayes
Yep, my error. I probably typed "Teeside" because I'm more familiar
with it, having visited it and ridden in the vehicles of the Teeside
Railless Traction Company (should "railless have one l or two?).

Two. And perhaps more relevantly, Teesside has two s's. It's the side
of the River Tees, not the River Tee.

Richard

Richard Smith

2020-04-22 13:39:03 UTC

Post by Steve Hayes

Post by Steve Hayes
Can anyone give me a clearer idea of where it was?

There is more than one Ingleton
North Yorkshire
OS Grid Ref: SD 69575 73262
Count Durham
OS Grid Ref: NZ 17288 20545
Then of course counties boundaries have also moved!

So if someone lived in Lancashire in the 19th century and was born in
Ingleton, Yorkshire, would they be more likely to have been born in
the North Eiding one or the West Ruiding one?

There isn't a Ingleton in the North Riding (though there are three
places called Ingleby in the North Riding). The Ingleton now in North
Yorkshire was in the West Riding. The Ingleton in County Durham has
always been there, though it is only three miles from the border with
North Yorkshire and before that the North Riding. Lancashire is much
closer to the Ingleton in Yorkshire, which is also the larger and better
known village. (In fact, I'd struggle to describe the one in Durham a
village at all: it's more a hamlet.) Of course, that doesn't
necessarily mean this person came from the Yorkshire one, but it does
tip the balance somewhat in that direction.

For more background ... When the three Ridings (West, North and East)
were replaced with four modern administrative counties (South, West and
North Yorkshire, plus Humberside) in 1974, quite a lot of places moved
between them, and several more areas were removed from Yorkshire
altogether. Many of these changes came about because the old county was
vast and the bulk of its population was in the West Riding. South and
West Yorkshire were both formed out of the West Riding; most of the
Dales (which is the area which includes Ingleton) were transferred from
the West Riding to North Yorkshire; and the areas on the west of the
Pennine mountains were transferred to Lancashire and the new counties of
Greater Manchester and Cumbria. In becoming North Yorkshire, the North
Riding lost Teesside to the new county of Cleveland, and Teesdale to
Durham, and gained the City of York which had not properly been in any
of the Ridings (though often counted as part of the West Riding for
statistical purposes). The East Riding became the new county of
Humberside which also gained part of the north of Lincolnshire, which
change has since been undone and the county name reverted to the East
Riding. There were other minor changes too.

Richard

Steve Hayes

2020-04-24 09:50:22 UTC

On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 14:39:03 +0100, Richard Smith

Post by Steve Hayes
So if someone lived in Lancashire in the 19th century and was born in
Ingleton, Yorkshire, would they be more likely to have been born in
the North Eiding one or the West Ruiding one?

There isn't a Ingleton in the North Riding (though there are three
places called Ingleby in the North Riding). The Ingleton now in North
Yorkshire was in the West Riding.

Ah, thank you. That is what I wanted to know!

Post by Richard Smith
The Ingleton in County Durham has
always been there, though it is only three miles from the border with
North Yorkshire and before that the North Riding. Lancashire is much
closer to the Ingleton in Yorkshire, which is also the larger and better
known village. (In fact, I'd struggle to describe the one in Durham a
village at all: it's more a hamlet.) Of course, that doesn't
necessarily mean this person came from the Yorkshire one, but it does
tip the balance somewhat in that direction.

I have other problems with the person, and knowing which person it is,
but the Census information definitely says Ingleton in Yorkshire.

For what it's worth the person I was looking for was a John Miller who
married Margaret Hardman in Scotforth, Lancashire in Dec 1879.

In the 1881 Census he is shown, still in Scotforth, with his wife
Margaret and infant son William. So he is the one I am looking for. He
is aged 23, which means he was born about 1858/59. And his birthplace
is given as Ingleton, Yorkshire, England.

Searching FreeBMD for a John Miller born in Yorkshire gives two
districts with an Ingleton in it -- Teesdale and Settle.

Hence my question about which Ingleton and where was it likely to be,
since a John Miller was born in each of them at the relevant time.

Anyway, thanks for your answer, which has been most helpful to me in
pursuing this particular enquiry.

Post by Richard Smith
most of the
Dales (which is the area which includes Ingleton) were transferred from
the West Riding to North Yorkshire; and the areas on the west of the
Pennine mountains were transferred to Lancashire and the new counties of
Greater Manchester and Cumbria. In becoming North Yorkshire, the North
Riding lost Teesside to the new county of Cleveland, and Teesdale to
Durham, and gained the City of York which had not properly been in any
of the Ridings

And that too is useful, thanks again.

--
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Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/
http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

john

2020-04-24 11:12:03 UTC

Post by Steve Hayes
On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 14:39:03 +0100, Richard Smith

There isn't a Ingleton in the North Riding (though there are three
places called Ingleby in the North Riding). The Ingleton now in North
Yorkshire was in the West Riding.

Ah, thank you. That is what I wanted to know!

I have other problems with the person, and knowing which person it is,
but the Census information definitely says Ingleton in Yorkshire.
For what it's worth the person I was looking for was a John Miller who
married Margaret Hardman in Scotforth, Lancashire in Dec 1879.
In the 1881 Census he is shown, still in Scotforth, with his wife
Margaret and infant son William. So he is the one I am looking for. He
is aged 23, which means he was born about 1858/59. And his birthplace
is given as Ingleton, Yorkshire, England.
Searching FreeBMD for a John Miller born in Yorkshire gives two
districts with an Ingleton in it -- Teesdale and Settle.
Hence my question about which Ingleton and where was it likely to be,
since a John Miller was born in each of them at the relevant time.
Anyway, thanks for your answer, which has been most helpful to me in
pursuing this particular enquiry.

And that too is useful, thanks again.

From Familysearch.org

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: John Miller
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 7 Aug 1859
Event Place: Ingleton, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Ingleton, York, England
Gender: Male
Father's Name: James Miller <---------
Mother's Name: Lydia <---------
Record Number: 70

John Miller
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name: John Miller
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Event Place: Ingleton, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Ingleton, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
<---------
County: Yorkshire (West Riding)
Registration District: Settle
<---------------------------------------------------
Residence Note: Moorgarth
Gender: Male
Age: 1
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Enginemans Son
Birth Year (Estimated): 1860
Birthplace: Ingleton, Yorkshire
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Page Number: 6
Registration Number: RG09
Piece/Folio: 3177 / 94
Household
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
James Miller Head Male 53 Shilbottle, Northumberland <---------
Lydia Miller Wife Female 46 Ingleton, Yorkshire <---------
William K Miller Son Male 24
Elizabeth Miller Daughter Female 12 Ingleton, Yorkshire
Ann Miller Daughter Female 10 Ingleton, Yorkshire
Margaret E Miller Daughter Female 5
John Miller Son Male 1 Ingleton, Yorkshire

John Millor
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name: John Millor
Event Type:
Event Date: 1871
Event Place: Ingleton, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom <---------
Event Place (Original): Ingleton, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Sub-District: Bentham <-------------------part of Settle registration
District
Enumeration District: 7
Gender: Male
Age: 11
Occupation: Scholar
Birth Year (Estimated): 1860
Birthplace: Ingleton, Yorkshire
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Son
Entry Number: 19
Affiliate Image Identifier: GBC/1871/4252/0041
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
James Millor Head Male 65 Northumberland <---------
Lydia Millor Wife Female 55 Ingleton, Yorkshire <---------
Margt Millor Daughter Female 15 Ingleton, Yorkshire
John Millor Son Male 11 Ingleton, Yorkshire

It is the Ingleton in the Sub-District of Bentham in the Registration
District of Settle not the Ingleton in Teedale

john

2020-04-24 12:09:43 UTC

Post by Steve Hayes
On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 14:39:03 +0100, Richard Smith

There isn't a Ingleton in the North Riding (though there are three
places called Ingleby in the North Riding). The Ingleton now in North
Yorkshire was in the West Riding.

Ah, thank you. That is what I wanted to know!

I have other problems with the person, and knowing which person it is,
but the Census information definitely says Ingleton in Yorkshire.
For what it's worth the person I was looking for was a John Miller who
married Margaret Hardman in Scotforth, Lancashire in Dec 1879.
In the 1881 Census he is shown, still in Scotforth, with his wife
Margaret and infant son William. So he is the one I am looking for. He
is aged 23, which means he was born about 1858/59. And his birthplace
is given as Ingleton, Yorkshire, England.
Searching FreeBMD for a John Miller born in Yorkshire gives two
districts with an Ingleton in it -- Teesdale and Settle.
Hence my question about which Ingleton and where was it likely to be,
since a John Miller was born in each of them at the relevant time.
Anyway, thanks for your answer, which has been most helpful to me in
pursuing this particular enquiry.

And that too is useful, thanks again.

From Familysearch.org
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: John Miller
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 7 Aug 1859
Event Place: Ingleton, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Ingleton, York, England
Gender: Male
Father's Name: James Miller <---------
Mother's Name: Lydia <---------
Record Number: 70
John Miller
England and Wales Census, 1861
Name: John Miller
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Event Place: Ingleton, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Ingleton, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
<---------
County: Yorkshire (West Riding)
Registration District: Settle
<---------------------------------------------------
Residence Note: Moorgarth
Gender: Male
Age: 1
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Enginemans Son
Birth Year (Estimated): 1860
Birthplace: Ingleton, Yorkshire
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Page Number: 6
Registration Number: RG09
Piece/Folio: 3177 / 94
Household
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
James Miller Head Male 53 Shilbottle, Northumberland <---------
Lydia Miller Wife Female 46 Ingleton, Yorkshire <---------
William K Miller Son Male 24
Elizabeth Miller Daughter Female 12 Ingleton, Yorkshire
Ann Miller Daughter Female 10 Ingleton, Yorkshire
Margaret E Miller Daughter Female 5
John Miller Son Male 1 Ingleton, Yorkshire
John Millor
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name: John Millor
Event Date: 1871
Event Place: Ingleton, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom <---------
Event Place (Original): Ingleton, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Sub-District: Bentham <-------------------part of Settle registration
District
Enumeration District: 7
Gender: Male
Age: 11
Occupation: Scholar
Birth Year (Estimated): 1860
Birthplace: Ingleton, Yorkshire
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Son
Entry Number: 19
Affiliate Image Identifier: GBC/1871/4252/0041
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
James Millor Head Male 65 Northumberland <---------
Lydia Millor Wife Female 55 Ingleton, Yorkshire <---------
Margt Millor Daughter Female 15 Ingleton, Yorkshire
John Millor Son Male 11 Ingleton, Yorkshire
It is the Ingleton in the Sub-District of Bentham in the Registration
District of Settle not the Ingleton in Teedale

If you had given all the information you had at the very start of your
first query, this "problem" you had would have been resolved within a
day as there do not appear to be any search problems as long as you look
at the facts.

And the remainder of my search during morning coffee.

His mother was born in Ingleton, Yorkshire (near to Settle) and his
parents were married there.

James Miller
England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: James Miller
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Dec 1831
Event Place: Ingleton, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Ingleton, York, England
Gender: Male
Spouse's Name: Lydia Knowles
Spouse's Gender: Female
Spouse's Father's Name: William Knowles
Record Number: 20

James Miller
England and Wales Census, 1841
Name: James Miller
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1841
Event Place: Bentham, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Bentham, Yorkshire,Yorkshire West Riding, England
County: Yorkshire,Yorkshire West Riding
Parish: Bentham
Registration District: Settle
Residence Note: Pemberton
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Age (Original): 30
Birth Year (Estimated): 1807-1811
Page Number: 8
Registration Number: HO107
Piece/Folio: 1319/25
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
James Miller Male 30
Lydia Miller Female 25 Yorkshire
Robert Miller Male 8 Yorkshire
Geoerge Miller Male 6 Yorkshire
William Miller Male 4 Yorkshire
James Miller Male 2 Yorkshire
Mary Miller Female 2 Yorkshire
Matthew Miller Male 0 Yorkshire
Matthew Miller Male 25

James Miller
England and Wales Census, 1851
Name: James Miller
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1851
Event Place: , Yorkshire,Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Registration District: Settle
Gender: Male
Age: 44
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Ingine Tenter
Birth Year (Estimated): 1807
Birthplace: Shilbottle, Northumberland
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Page Number: 8
Registration Number: HO107
Piece/Folio: 2277 / 154
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
James Miller Head Male 44 Shilbottle, Northumberland
Lydiea Miller Wife Female 36 Ingleton, Yorkshire
Robert Miller Son Male 18 Ingleton, Yorkshire
George Miller Son Male 16 Ingleton, Yorkshire
William Miller Son Male 14 Ingleton, Yorkshire
James Miller Son Male 12 Ingleton, Yorkshire
Mathew Miller Son Male 10 Ingleton, Yorkshire
Agnes Miller Daughter Female 8 Ingleton, Yorkshire
Elizabeth Miller Daughter Female 3 Ingleton, Yorkshire
Ann Miller Daughter Female 0 ,

Lydia Knowles
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Lydia Knowles
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 8 Aug 1813
Event Place: Ingleton, Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Ingleton, York, England
Gender: Female
Father's Name: William Knowles
Mother's Name: Mary

James Miller
England, Northumberland, Parish Registers, 1538-1950
Name: James Miller
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 9 Jul 1815
Event Place: Shilbottle, Northumberland, England
Event Place (Original): Shilbottle, Northumberland, England
Gender: Male
Father's Name: Thomas Miller
Mother's Name: Ann Miller

Steve Hayes

2020-04-25 06:32:55 UTC

On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 13:12:03 +0200, john

Post by Steve Hayes
For what it's worth the person I was looking for was a John Miller who
married Margaret Hardman in Scotforth, Lancashire in Dec 1879.
In the 1881 Census he is shown, still in Scotforth, with his wife
Margaret and infant son William. So he is the one I am looking for. He
is aged 23, which means he was born about 1858/59. And his birthplace
is given as Ingleton, Yorkshire, England.
Searching FreeBMD for a John Miller born in Yorkshire gives two
districts with an Ingleton in it -- Teesdale and Settle.
Hence my question about which Ingleton and where was it likely to be,
since a John Miller was born in each of them at the relevant time.

Thank you.

The problem, however, is that I am not sure that that John Miller is
the one I am looking for, the one who married Margaret Hardman.

As I said, FreeBMD shows two born in the relevant period, one in
Settle distirc and the other in Teesdale, both of which have an
Ingleton, which is why I was asking for help in determining which
Ingleton was which, and which country which was in.

But since discussion seems to have moved to the particular family I'm
researching, let me explain that.

Yes, I initially thought that John Miller, son of James and Lydia, was
the one I was looking for. But I wanted to look at the other one too,
but couldn't find anything, except in the 1871 census, where he is
shown as aged 12, living with his grandparents, His grandmother was
Martha Durham, and that makes him seem more likely, because on his
marriage register entry he gives his father as William Durham Miller,
and that makes the James and Lydia one seem less likely.

But I have not been able to find that John Miller in the 1861 census,
or any record of him with his parents to show who they were.

--
Steve Hayes
Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/
http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

john

2020-04-25 08:22:53 UTC

Post by Steve Hayes
On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 13:12:03 +0200, john

Thank you.
The problem, however, is that I am not sure that that John Miller is
the one I am looking for, the one who married Margaret Hardman.
As I said, FreeBMD shows two born in the relevant period, one in
Settle distirc and the other in Teesdale, both of which have an
Ingleton, which is why I was asking for help in determining which
Ingleton was which, and which country which was in.
But since discussion seems to have moved to the particular family I'm
researching, let me explain that.
Yes, I initially thought that John Miller, son of James and Lydia, was
the one I was looking for. But I wanted to look at the other one too,
but couldn't find anything, except in the 1871 census, where he is
shown as aged 12, living with his grandparents, His grandmother was
Martha Durham, and that makes him seem more likely, because on his
marriage register entry he gives his father as William Durham Miller,
and that makes the James and Lydia one seem less likely.
But I have not been able to find that John Miller in the 1861 census,
or any record of him with his parents to show who they were.

I suggest you read my other post of 24/04/2020 13:12 where I have given
you complete details of the family in the 1841/1851/1861/1871 censuses.

The John Miller you found in 1871 is not the John Miller you are looking
for.

You need to review all the search hits and you will find John Millor
with his parents James and Lydia.

Probably the best way to determine the John Miller who married Margaret
Hardman would be to find a copy of the full church marriage record or
certificate which would show the father of John Miller.

This is the other John Miller, born in Teesdale

From a search for his birth at https://www.gro.gov.uk search, which
gives his mother's maiden surname
Name: MILLER, JOHN Mother's Maiden Surname: WALTON GRO Reference: 1859
M Quarter in TEESDALE Volume 10A Page 183

So, from FreeBMD
Marriages Mar 1851
Miller John Teesdale 24 326
Walton Sarah Ann Teesdale 24 326

Then from Familysearch

In 1861
Name: John Miller
Event Type: Census Event Date: 1861
Event Place: Westwick, Durham, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Westwick, Durham, England
County: Durham
Registration District: Teesdale <---------------------------
Residence Note: Westwick
Gender: Male
Age: 2
Birth Year (Estimated): 1859
Birthplace: Westwick, Durham <----------(a few miles SE of Barnard Castle)
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Page Number: 1
Registration Number: RG09
Piece/Folio: 3720 / 88
Household
John Miller Head Male 39 Reeth, Yorkshire
Sarah Ann Miller Wife Female 35
Jane Hannah Miller Daughter Female 13
Mary Miller Daughter Female 10 Startforth, Yorkshire
Thomas Miller Son Male 8 Barnard Castle, Durham
Eleanor Miller Daughter Female 6 Barnard Castle, Durham
Allas Miller Daughter Female 4 Westwick, Durham
John Miller Son Male 2 Westwick, Durham
William Miller Son Male 0 Westwick, Durham

In 1871
Name: John Miller
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Event Place: Barnard Castle, Durham, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Barnard Castle, Durham, England
Sub-District: Barnard Castle
Enumeration District: 1
Gender: Male
Age: 12
Occupation: Scholar
Birth Year (Estimated): 1859
Birthplace: Barnard Castle, Durham <-------------------------
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Son
Entry Number: 9
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Miller Head Male 49 Reeth, Yorkshire
Sarah Miller Wife Female 44 Barnard Castle, Durham
John Miller Son Male 12 Barnard Castle, Durham
William Miller Son Male 10 Barnard Castle, Durham
Robert Miller Son Male 4 Barnard Castle, Durham
Elizabeth Miller Daughter Female 1 Barnard Castle, Durham
Joseph Miller Son Male 1 Barnard Castle, Durham

john

2020-04-25 18:30:58 UTC

Post by Steve Hayes
On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 13:12:03 +0200, john

Post by Steve Hayes
For what it's worth the person I was looking for was a John
Miller who married Margaret Hardman in Scotforth, Lancashire in
Dec 1879.
In the 1881 Census he is shown, still in Scotforth, with his
wife Margaret and infant son William. So he is the one I am
looking for. He is aged 23, which means he was born about
1858/59. And his birthplace is given as Ingleton, Yorkshire,
England.
Searching FreeBMD for a John Miller born in Yorkshire gives two
districts with an Ingleton in it -- Teesdale and Settle.
Hence my question about which Ingleton and where was it likely to
be, since a John Miller was born in each of them at the relevant
time.

From Familysearch.org
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: John Miller Event
Type: Christening Event Date: 7 Aug 1859 Event Place: Ingleton,
Ingleton, York, England Gender: Male Father's Name: James Miller
<--------- Mother's Name: Lydia <--------- Record Number: 70
It is the Ingleton in the Sub-District of Bentham in the
Registration District of Settle not the Ingleton in Teedale

Thank you.
The problem, however, is that I am not sure that that John Miller is
the one I am looking for, the one who married Margaret Hardman.
As I said, FreeBMD shows two born in the relevant period, one in
Settle distirc and the other in Teesdale, both of which have an
Ingleton, which is why I was asking for help in determining which
Ingleton was which, and which country which was in.
But since discussion seems to have moved to the particular family
I'm researching, let me explain that.
Yes, I initially thought that John Miller, son of James and Lydia,
was the one I was looking for. But I wanted to look at the other one
too, but couldn't find anything, except in the 1871 census, where he
is shown as aged 12, living with his grandparents, His grandmother
was Martha Durham, and that makes him seem more likely, because on
his marriage register entry he gives his father as William Durham
Miller, and that makes the James and Lydia one seem less likely.
But I have not been able to find that John Miller in the 1861
census, or any record of him with his parents to show who they were.

This is a bit messy, incomplete and some oddities needing to be resolved

William Durham Miller
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: William Durham Miller
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 17 Jul 1836
Event Place: Bolton le Sands, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Bolton Le Sands, Lancashire, England
Gender: Male
Father's Name: John Miller
Mother's Name: Martha Elizabeth
Record Number: 781341

Name: William Durham Miller
Birth Year: abt 1836
Death Age: 80
Burial Date: 22 Nov 1916
Burial Parish: Bolton le Sands, Over Kellet, Lancashire, England

John Miller's birth (in the Settle Registration District, probably in
Ingleton)
Name: MILLER, JOHN Mother's Maiden Surname: WILKINSON
GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in SETTLE UNION Volume 09A Page 11

A marriage which might be relevant to that birth?
Marriages Mar 1859
Miller William Durham Lancaster 8e 741
Wilkinson Elizabeth Lancaster 8e 741
and
Name: William Durham Miller
Gender: Male
Age: Full Age
Residence: Ingleton
Father: John Miller
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Feb 1859
Parish: Bolton le Sands, Over Kellet, Lancashire, England
Spouse: Elizabeth Wilkinson
Spouse Age: Full Age
Residence: Over Kellet
No father

This is probably William in 1861 with son John
Name: William Millers
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Margret Millers
Gender: Male
Where born: Kellett, Lancashire, England (2-3 miles from Bolton-le-Sands)
Civil Parish: Ingleton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Settle
Sub-registration district: Bentham
Household schedule number: 51
Piece: 3177
Folio: 97
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
William Millers 25
Margret Millers 26
John Millers 2 Where born: Ingleton, Yorkshire, England
William Simpson 25

But William's wife is listed as Margret (so is Margret = Elizabeth?)
(No obvious William-Margret marriage except for this, which I didn't
have time to resolve (I would suspect the two Irish names, Heffernan and
O'Donnall go together but haven't checked?)
Marriages Sep 1860
Heffernan Margret Ulverstone 8e 899
Kellet Jane Ulverstone 8e 899
MILLER William Ulverstone 8e 899
O Donnall Michael Ulverstone 8e 899
ODonnald Michael Ulverstone 8e 899)

Birth Name: MILLER, ELIZABETH Mother's Maiden Surname: WILKINSON
GRO Reference: 1861 S Quarter in SETTLE UNION Volume 09A Page 10

And there is this:
Deaths Jun 1862 Miller Elizabeth Settle 9a 9 - wife or daughter or
unrelated?

but see 1871 census names

And yet another marriage of a William Durham to an Elizabeth Wilkinson
but I've not found a more detailed record!
Marriages Jun 1869
Miller William Durham Lancaster 8e 830
Wilkinson Elizabeth Lancaster 8e 830

William in 1871 with some of his family
Name: William D Miller
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: 1837
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: N Kellet Lancashire England
Civil Parish: Nether Kellet
Ecclesiastical parish: Bolton le Sands
Town: Nether Kellet
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Lunesdale
Sub-registration district: Arkholme
Piece: 4237
Folio: 26
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
William D Miller 34
Elizabeth Miller 34
Elizabeth Miller 9
Martha E Miller 1

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname
MILLER, MARTHA ELLEN WILKINSON
GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in LUNESDALE Volume 08E Page 665

and also in 1871, John with William's parents, his grandparents
Name: John Miller
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: 1860
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Ingleton Yorkshire England
Civil Parish: Nether Kellet
Ecclesiastical parish: Bolton le Sands
Town: Nether Kellet
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Lunesdale
Sub-registration district: Arkholme
Piece: 4237
Folio: 24
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
John Miller 59
Martha E Miller 57
John Miller 11

These might also be relevant
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname

MILLER, MARY WILKINSON WILKINSON
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in LUNESDALE Volume 08E Page 703

MILLER, THOMAS WILKINSON
GRO Reference: 1872 D Quarter in LUNESDALE Volume 08E Page 712

MILLER, HENRY WILKINSON
GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in LUNESDALE Volume 08E Page 719

MILLER, WILLIAM DURHAM WILKINSON
GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in LUNESDALE Volume 08E Page 773
and
Deaths Mar 1877 Miller William Durham 0 Lunesdale 8e 509 Burial Date:
21 Jan 1877 Burial Place: Bolton Le Sands, Lancaster, England

and another marriage but no obvious death of Elizabeth
Name: William Durham Miller
Gender: Male
Age: 41
Birth Year: abt 1835
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Jan 1876
Parish: Bolton le Sands, Over Kellet, Lancashire, England
Father: John Miller
Spouse: Christiana Braithwaite
Spouse Age: 44
Spouse Father: Thomas Holliday

So that is some information on the other John Miller born in Ingleton
nr. Settle

Steve Hayes

2020-04-26 07:08:54 UTC

On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 20:30:58 +0200, john

Post by Steve Hayes
Yes, I initially thought that John Miller, son of James and Lydia,
was the one I was looking for. But I wanted to look at the other one
too, but couldn't find anything, except in the 1871 census, where he
is shown as aged 12, living with his grandparents, His grandmother
was Martha Durham, and that makes him seem more likely, because on
his marriage register entry he gives his father as William Durham
Miller, and that makes the James and Lydia one seem less likely.
But I have not been able to find that John Miller in the 1861
census, or any record of him with his parents to show who they were.

Thank you very much! That seems to be the one I am looking for.

<snip a lot of things I'll be locking at more carefully.

Post by john
and also in 1871, John with William's parents, his grandparents
Name: John Miller
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: 1860
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Ingleton Yorkshire England
Civil Parish: Nether Kellet
Ecclesiastical parish: Bolton le Sands
Town: Nether Kellet
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Lunesdale
Sub-registration district: Arkholme
Piece: 4237
Folio: 24
Page Number: 3
Name Age
John Miller 59
Martha E Miller 57
John Miller 11

And that was the only record I could find, which made me doubt that he
was the son of John & Lydia, but I was unable to find anything else on
him or his parents, so I'm very grateful to you for digging up those
other records, which seem to fill in lots of missing bits of the
puzzle.

Post by john
These might also be relevant
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname
MILLER, MARY WILKINSON WILKINSON
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in LUNESDALE Volume 08E Page 703
MILLER, THOMAS WILKINSON
GRO Reference: 1872 D Quarter in LUNESDALE Volume 08E Page 712
MILLER, HENRY WILKINSON
GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in LUNESDALE Volume 08E Page 719
MILLER, WILLIAM DURHAM WILKINSON
GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in LUNESDALE Volume 08E Page 773
and
21 Jan 1877 Burial Place: Bolton Le Sands, Lancaster, England
and another marriage but no obvious death of Elizabeth
Name: William Durham Miller
Gender: Male
Age: 41
Birth Year: abt 1835
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Jan 1876
Parish: Bolton le Sands, Over Kellet, Lancashire, England
Father: John Miller
Spouse: Christiana Braithwaite
Spouse Age: 44
Spouse Father: Thomas Holliday
So that is some information on the other John Miller born in Ingleton
nr. Settle

And I now think I would be correct in saying that at the relative
times Ingleton near Settle was then in the West Riding of Yorkshire,
even if it is in North Yourkshire today?

--
Steve Hayes
Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/
http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

Steve Hayes

2020-04-27 05:40:46 UTC

On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 20:30:58 +0200, john

Post by john
This is a bit messy, incomplete and some oddities needing to be resolved
A marriage which might be relevant to that birth?
Marriages Mar 1859
Miller William Durham Lancaster 8e 741
Wilkinson Elizabeth Lancaster 8e 741
and
Name: William Durham Miller
Gender: Male
Age: Full Age
Residence: Ingleton
Father: John Miller
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Feb 1859
Parish: Bolton le Sands, Over Kellet, Lancashire, England
Spouse: Elizabeth Wilkinson
Spouse Age: Full Age
Residence: Over Kellet
No father

Thanks again for all theb information you have managed to dig up,
which I think has helped me to sort out this family.

It appears that William Durham Miller married twice, both times to an
elizabeth Wilkinson, in 1859 and 1869. The second one was the daughter
of a Henry Wilkinson.

So I now have:

Name: William Durham MILLER
Sex: Male
Father: John MILLER (1811- )
Mother: Martha Elizabeth DURHAM (1813- )

Birth abt Jul 1836 Nether Kellet, Lancashire, England

Residence Feb 1859 (about age 22) Ingleton, West Riding, Yorkshire,
England

Death abt Nov 1916 (about age 80) Bolton-le-Sands, Lancashire, England
Burial 22 Nov 1916 (about age 80) Bolton-le-Sands, Lancashire, England

Marriages/Children

1. Elizabeth WILKINSON ( -1862)
Marriage 12 Feb 1859 (about age 22) St Cuthbert's, Over Kellet,
Lancashire, England
Children John MILLER (1859- )
Elizabeth MILLER (1861- )

2. Elizabeth WILKINSON (1836- )
Marriage 18 May 1869 (about age 32) Christ Church, Bolton-le-Sands,
Lancashire, England
Children Martha Ellene MILLER (1870- )
William Durham MILLER (1876- )

Thanks very much for your help in this.

--
Steve Hayes
Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/
http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

john

2020-04-27 11:08:04 UTC

Post by Steve Hayes
On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 20:30:58 +0200, john

Thanks again for all theb information you have managed to dig up,
which I think has helped me to sort out this family.
It appears that William Durham Miller married twice, both times to an
elizabeth Wilkinson, in 1859 and 1869. The second one was the daughter
of a Henry Wilkinson.
Name: William Durham MILLER
Sex: Male
Father: John MILLER (1811- )
Mother: Martha Elizabeth DURHAM (1813- )
Birth abt Jul 1836 Nether Kellet, Lancashire, England
Residence Feb 1859 (about age 22) Ingleton, West Riding, Yorkshire,
England
Death abt Nov 1916 (about age 80) Bolton-le-Sands, Lancashire, England
Burial 22 Nov 1916 (about age 80) Bolton-le-Sands, Lancashire, England
Marriages/Children
1. Elizabeth WILKINSON ( -1862)
Marriage 12 Feb 1859 (about age 22) St Cuthbert's, Over Kellet,
Lancashire, England
Children John MILLER (1859- )
Elizabeth MILLER (1861- )
2. Elizabeth WILKINSON (1836- )
Marriage 18 May 1869 (about age 32) Christ Church, Bolton-le-Sands,
Lancashire, England
Children Martha Ellene MILLER (1870- )
William Durham MILLER (1876- )
Thanks very much for your help in this.

There are other children mentioned in my earlier e-mails which you have
missed. William died aged 2. There is also a third marriage.

William is a lodger in 1881 RG11; Piece: 4256; Folio: 82; Page: 45;
Martha with William and Mary Taylor as a niece RG11; Piece: 4216; Folio:
75; Page: 5
Elizabeth is a servant RG11; Piece: 4261; Folio: 93; Page: 15
William in 1891 RG12; Piece: 3473; Folio: 32; Page: 7

Richard Smith

2020-04-24 22:21:22 UTC

Post by Steve Hayes
Searching FreeBMD for a John Miller born in Yorkshire gives two
districts with an Ingleton in it -- Teesdale and Settle.

You have to remember that registration district didn't always neatly fit
into counties. The Settle district did – it was in the West Riding, and
included many of the picturesque Dales villages, including the Ingleton
in Yorkshire. However the Teesdale district was not so simple. Until
1974, the River Tees formed the border between the North Riding and
County Durham and this district included places on both sides of the
river. The Ingleton in County Durham was in this district.

Richard

john

2020-04-15 12:30:41 UTC

Post by Steve Hayes
I have come actoss several people (surname MILLER or MILLERS) who were
born in or from Ingleton in Yorkshire in the 1851-1871 Censuses.
According to Wikipedia Ingleton was in the North Riding of Yorkshire,
according to FreeBMD it is in Durham,
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/teesdale.html
and according to GenUKI and the the Parish Locator program I have it
was in the West Riding.
Can anyone give me a clearer idea of where it was?

It depends whether you mean the Ingleton in Yorkshire or the Ingleton in
Durham!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingleton
Ingleton may refer to:
Ingleton, County Durham
Ingleton, North Yorkshire

If you go to the first page of the census records you are looking at you
will find details of the Registrar's District, Sub-District, etc.

The Miller I've just found in Ingleton in the 1861 census is in the
sub-district of Bentham in the Registration District of Settle.

Even the Familysearch record for that entry shows the Registration
District as Settle which helps with the location

If you search for Settle/Bentham/Ingleton on a map you will see that
Ingleton is in Yorkshire.

However, you may be looking at Millers in Ingleton in Durham. You need
to check what you have found in more detail.

Ian Goddard

2020-04-15 13:19:59 UTC

https://streetmap.co.uk/ should always be the first resource for "Where
is it?" questions for the UK.

http://streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=369500&Y=473500&A=Y&Z=120 (Yorkshire)
http://streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=417500&Y=520500&A=Y&Z=12 (Durham)

Ian

2020-04-15 14:06:23 UTC

https://streetmap.co.uk/ should always be the first resource for "Where
is it?" questions for the UK.

No thanks, I will stick to Ordnance Survey and NLS.

Ian Goddard

2020-04-15 14:31:26 UTC

https://streetmap.co.uk/ should always be the first resource for
"Where is it?" questions for the UK.

No thanks, I will stick to Ordnance Survey and NLS.

You didn't check the links did you?

J. P. Gilliver (John)

2020-04-15 21:47:50 UTC

https://streetmap.co.uk/ should always be the first resource for
"Where is it?" questions for the UK.

No thanks, I will stick to Ordnance Survey and NLS.

I find google.co.uk/maps often surprisingly good - certainly at finding
tiny farms and the like (try Rivergreen Mill [Still shows my car, and me
and my friends, from 2009!], or Greenlawalls). For placenames, it's
pretty good too; sometimes adding a comma followed by a county will help
you find a smaller or less-well-known one.

I suspect it's like it used to be with search engines - you learn the
quirks of the one you are used to.

(I like google maps as I often use the "directions", set to pedestrian,
to see if an adjacent village is likely or not.)

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Can a blue man sing the whites?

2020-04-16 07:58:49 UTC