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Stephen Bingham
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r***@yahoo.co.uk
2021-04-01 15:37:55 UTC
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Hi All

searching for more data on (my great-great-uncle)

Stephen Bingham
Born: 1 May 1860 in Fritenden, Kent, England
Father: William Bingham
Mother: Mary Ann Ransley
Spouse: Anne / Fanny (Died Dec 1946)

any other data please, I've searched the sites I can access, but there seems
nothing on him
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2021-04-01 20:14:49 UTC
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Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
Hi All
searching for more data on (my great-great-uncle)
Stephen Bingham
Born: 1 May 1860 in Fritenden, Kent, England
Father: William Bingham
Mother: Mary Ann Ransley
Spouse: Anne / Fanny (Died Dec 1946)
any other data please, I've searched the sites I can access, but there seems
nothing on him
When asking for help like this, it helps to say what you _have_ accessed
- e. g. FreeBMD/GRO, censuses (just 1881 or all) and 1939 register,
parish records (and whether via Ancestry, FindMyPast, or other - if so
what), FindAGrave and/or Gravestone Photographic Resource, and so on.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Where [other presenters] tackle the world with a box of watercolours, he
takes a spanner. - David Butcher (on Guy Martin), RT 2015/1/31-2/6
r***@yahoo.co.uk
2021-04-02 11:10:41 UTC
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01 April 2021 at 21:14, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Re: Stephen Bingham (at least in part)
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
Hi All
searching for more data on (my great-great-uncle)
Stephen Bingham
Born: 1 May 1860 in Fritenden, Kent, England
Father: William Bingham
Mother: Mary Ann Ransley
Spouse: Anne / Fanny (Died Dec 1946)
any other data please, I've searched the sites I can access, but there seems
nothing on him
When asking for help like this, it helps to say what you _have_ accessed
Noted (as a irregular poster here), I have searched these (from 1855 to 1965
for all data inclusive)

"deceasedonline.com"
"familysearch.org"
"findagrave.com"
"findmypast.co.uk"
"freebmd.org.uk"
"freecen.org.uk"
"freereg.org.uk"
"freeukgen.rootsweb.com"
"freeukgenealogy.org.uk"
"genuki.org.uk"
"rootsuk.com"
"ukbmd.org.uk"
"ukbmdsearch.org.uk"
"ukcensusonline.com"
"woodchurchancestry.org.uk"

plus a few newspaper sites for any obits or stories that may put meat on my
knowledge

It seems from other replies that there is data in the places I have searched
but I still can't see it, there is a Stephen Bingham in Dover about 20 years
after my one, after that it is hard to tell which is which, apart from a
marrage in Dover in 1887 that I "assume" can't be the 1880 born Stephen

I thank you for your patience
john
2021-04-02 12:08:41 UTC
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Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
Re: Stephen Bingham (at least in part)
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
Hi All
searching for more data on (my great-great-uncle)
Stephen Bingham
Born: 1 May 1860 in Fritenden, Kent, England
Father: William Bingham
Mother: Mary Ann Ransley
Spouse: Anne / Fanny (Died Dec 1946)
any other data please, I've searched the sites I can access, but there seems
nothing on him
When asking for help like this, it helps to say what you _have_ accessed
Noted (as a irregular poster here), I have searched these (from 1855 to 1965
for all data inclusive)
"deceasedonline.com"
"familysearch.org"
"findagrave.com"
"findmypast.co.uk"
"freebmd.org.uk"
"freecen.org.uk"
"freereg.org.uk"
"freeukgen.rootsweb.com"
"freeukgenealogy.org.uk"
"genuki.org.uk"
"rootsuk.com"
"ukbmd.org.uk"
"ukbmdsearch.org.uk"
"ukcensusonline.com"
"woodchurchancestry.org.uk"
plus a few newspaper sites for any obits or stories that may put meat on my
knowledge
It seems from other replies that there is data in the places I have searched
but I still can't see it, there is a Stephen Bingham in Dover about 20 years
after my one, after that it is hard to tell which is which, apart from a
marrage in Dover in 1887 that I "assume" can't be the 1880 born Stephen
I thank you for your patience
There must be something wrong with your search strategies or you don't
understand registration districts can cover several towns!

Perhaps you could post your strategies for familysearch.org and FreeBMD
so we can help correct them??

Search familysearch.org with
First Names Stephen
Last Names Bingham
Birthplace Frittenden, Kent, England
Birth Year (Range) 1855 -1865

The first three hits are

Stephen Bingham
Son
England and Wales Census, 1861
birth:
1861
Frittenden, Kent
residence:
1861
Biddenden, Kent, England, United Kingdom;Rogley Hill
other:
William Bingham, Mary A Bingham, Alfred W Bingham


Stephen Bingham
Son
England and Wales Census, 1871
birth:
1861
Fritenden, Kent
residence:
1871
Woodchurch, Kent, England, United Kingdom
father:
William Bingham
mother:
Mary A Bingham
other:
Alfred W Bingham, Sarah A Bingham, David Bingham, Eliza Bingham, Thomas
Bingham

Stephen Bingham
Head
England and Wales Census, 1901
birth:
1862
Frittenden, Kent
residence:
31 March 1901
Benenden, Kent, England, United Kingdom
spouse:
Fanny Bingham
children:
James W Bingham, Kate E Bingham, Mabel F Bingham, Olive E Bingham

and the 1891 and 1911 are further down the first page of hits

------

Searching FreeBMD for births
Surname Bingham First Name Stephen
use date range 1855 to 1865 and county Kent
gives one hit, his 1860 birth registration in registration district
Cranbrook
Click on Cranbrook and then on information about it can be found here on
the next page to see Frittenden was in the Cranbrook Registration district.

Searching FreeBMD for marriages
Surname Bingham First Name Stephen
in Kent 1875-1900 gives his marriage - Dover registration district.

Searching FreeBMD for death
Surname Bingham First Name Stephen
1910-1970 with the DoB set to 1855-1865 and All Counties set gives his
death - Epsom Registration District

----------------------

Ancestry has over 20 public trees available with full information from
birth to burial incl census, siblings, marriage, children, ancestors of
Stephen Bingham BIRTH JUN 1860 • Frittenden, Kent, England
r***@yahoo.co.uk
2021-04-02 17:07:59 UTC
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02 April 2021 at 14:08, john wrote:
Re: Stephen Bingham (at least in part)
Post by john
There must be something wrong with your search strategies or you don't
understand registration districts can cover several towns!
Perhaps you could post your strategies for familysearch.org and FreeBMD so we
can help correct them??
Search familysearch.org with
First Names Stephen
Last Names Bingham
Birthplace Frittenden, Kent, England
Birth Year (Range) 1855 -1865
The first three hits are
Stephen Bingham
Son
England and Wales Census, 1861
birth:1861
Frittenden, Kent
1861
Biddenden, Kent, England, United Kingdom;Rogley Hill
William Bingham, Mary A Bingham, Alfred W Bingham
I am aware of these siblings (plus another 4)
Post by john
Stephen Bingham
Head
England and Wales Census, 1901
1862
Frittenden, Kent
31 March 1901
Benenden, Kent, England, United Kingdom
spouse: Fanny Bingham
children: James W Bingham, Kate E Bingham, Mabel F Bingham, Olive E Bingham
I knew of James and have now added the others (more work to find the dates will
follow)

I have much more detail on Fanny (not Annie after all) thanks to the help here,
and tangental searchs

I guess I have been spoiled, because the main part of my tree come from in and
around Woodchurch Kent and IMHO their local genealogy site is without equal
r***@yahoo.co.uk
2021-04-02 19:51:26 UTC
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02 April 2021 at 14:08, john wrote:
Re: Stephen Bingham (at least in part)
Post by john
Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
searching for more data on (my great-great-uncle)
Stephen Bingham
Born: 1 May 1860 in Fritenden, Kent, England
Father: William Bingham
Mother: Mary Ann Ransley
Spouse: Anne / Fanny (Died Dec 1946)
There must be something wrong with your search strategies or you don't
understand registration districts can cover several towns!
I do understand that
Post by john
Perhaps you could post your strategies for familysearch.org
Familysearch

enter forename, surname, birthplace & birth year
search, wait
pick (or try) the one that looks most likely to be the one I need, even with a
very detailed UK birthplace, familysearch keeps throwing results from USA, also
the correct result is hit and miss, some times it shows some times it does not
Post by john
and FreeBMD
enter all known details (or close dates) click find
chose the most likely (or check all) result
click the "Info" and/or the "glasses symbol"
try to find the data within the scanned image

as I'm most often looking birth/baptized to find parents the data from here is
not that useful

FreeGen & FreeCen have proved more helpful
john
2021-04-02 21:32:50 UTC
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Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
Re: Stephen Bingham (at least in part)
Post by john
Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
searching for more data on (my great-great-uncle)
Stephen Bingham
Born: 1 May 1860 in Fritenden, Kent, England
Father: William Bingham
Mother: Mary Ann Ransley
Spouse: Anne / Fanny (Died Dec 1946)
There must be something wrong with your search strategies or you don't
understand registration districts can cover several towns!
I do understand that
Post by john
Perhaps you could post your strategies for familysearch.org
Familysearch
enter forename, surname, birthplace & birth year
search, wait
pick (or try) the one that looks most likely to be the one I need, even with a
very detailed UK birthplace, familysearch keeps throwing results from USA, also
the correct result is hit and miss, some times it shows some times it does not
Post by john
and FreeBMD
enter all known details (or close dates) click find
chose the most likely (or check all) result
click the "Info" and/or the "glasses symbol"
try to find the data within the scanned image
as I'm most often looking birth/baptized to find parents the data from here is
not that useful
FreeGen & FreeCen have proved more helpful
It seems your search terms are rather odd if you are getting USA results
in familysearch.

I've just searched family trees on familysearch for
Stephen Bingham b 1855-1865 Kent, England
and there is a tree including Stephen Bingham b1860 with ancestors back
to 1706.

There is free access to Ancestry UK this weekend. I don't know whether
it includes public trees.
r***@yahoo.co.uk
2021-04-03 08:51:42 UTC
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02 April 2021 at 23:32, john wrote:
Re: Stephen Bingham (at least in part)
Post by john
Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
enter forename, surname, birthplace & birth year
search, wait
pick (or try) the one that looks most likely to be the one I need, even with a
very detailed UK birthplace, familysearch keeps throwing results from USA, also
the correct result is hit and miss, some times it shows some times it does not
It seems your search terms are rather odd if you are getting USA results
in familysearch.
Not that I can see

Stephen Bingham
birthyear 1860
birthplace Fritenden, Kent, UK
Post by john
I've just searched family trees on familysearch for
Stephen Bingham b 1855-1865 Kent, England
and there is a tree including Stephen Bingham b1860 with ancestors back
to 1706.
There is free access to Ancestry UK this weekend. I don't know whether
it includes public trees.
I will (if I can) try that out
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2021-04-03 14:59:07 UTC
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Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
Re: Stephen Bingham (at least in part)
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
Hi All
searching for more data on (my great-great-uncle)
Stephen Bingham
Born: 1 May 1860 in Fritenden, Kent, England
Father: William Bingham
Mother: Mary Ann Ransley
Spouse: Anne / Fanny (Died Dec 1946)
any other data please, I've searched the sites I can access, but there seems
nothing on him
When asking for help like this, it helps to say what you _have_ accessed
Noted (as a irregular poster here), I have searched these (from 1855 to 1965
for all data inclusive)
"deceasedonline.com"
"familysearch.org"
"findagrave.com"
"findmypast.co.uk"
"freebmd.org.uk"
"freecen.org.uk"
"freereg.org.uk"
"freeukgen.rootsweb.com"
"freeukgenealogy.org.uk"
"genuki.org.uk"
"rootsuk.com"
"ukbmd.org.uk"
"ukbmdsearch.org.uk"
"ukcensusonline.com"
"woodchurchancestry.org.uk"
plus a few newspaper sites for any obits or stories that may put meat on my
knowledge
Ah, sorry, I wasn't clear - when I said tell us where you've looked, I
meant specific records - e. g. 1861 census, birth index, someplace
parish record (original or bishop's transcript), and so on - not which
websites. The reason being, so your potential helpers know where _not_
to look as you've already looked there; no point in duplicating effort.

Having said that, looking at your list of sites, it looks to me as if
you are only using free ones - fair enough. (You mention you use
findmypast, but I know you can get some results for free there.)
Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
It seems from other replies that there is data in the places I have searched
Several sites, familysearch in particular, have unindexed - even
untranscribed - images; for example (though not a lot of use to you for
Kent!), familysearch have a pretty comprehensive set of images of
bishop's transcripts for the diocese of Durham, which covers most of
Northumberland, and a fair amount of Durham, and some of
Cumberland/Cumbria and York/Yorkshire. They're not transcribed, but it
isn't "here are 4 million scans" - they're mostly divided into parish,
and within parish into _broad_ time-period sections. They probably do
also have some similar for other areas such as Kent. (Under Canterbury?)
Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
but I still can't see it, there is a Stephen Bingham in Dover about 20 years
after my one, after that it is hard to tell which is which, apart from a
marrage in Dover in 1887 that I "assume" can't be the 1880 born Stephen
I thank you for your patience
No problem.

Perhaps, you could post all you _do_ know about your ancestor, saying
for each piece of information where (record, not site) where you got it;
that way we can avoid duplication of effort. Also, perhaps, if there's a
specific piece of information you _are_ after (and any you're _not_
interested in).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

half the lies they tell about me aren't true. - Yogi Berra
r***@yahoo.co.uk
2021-04-04 15:07:34 UTC
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03 April 2021 at 15:59, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Re: Stephen Bingham (at least in part)
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Ah, sorry, I wasn't clear - when I said tell us where you've looked, I
meant specific records - e. g. 1861 census, birth index, someplace
parish record
Sorry I see what you mean, it's just that the detail you (I) get from specific
records "seems" more dependant of the site you look, I admit to being spoiled,
most of my searches are for in and around Woodchurch Kent from there I searched

Baptisms 1538-1989
Non-conformist Baptisms 1793-1984
Marriages 1538-1978
Banns 1754-1872
Burials 1538-1990
Parish Chest 1633-1849
Census Collection 1841-1901
Tenterden Union Workhouse Lists 1841-1901
Monumental Inscriptions
All Saints Cemetery Plans
Trade Directories
Absent Voters 1918
Newspaper Indexes
Tithe Assessment 1843
Pauper List 1833
Pauper List 1834
Electoral Roll 1832
Bonny Cravat Innkeepers
Mid-Kent Marriage Index
Romney Marsh Baptisms
Royal West Kent Bn Orders
Tenterden Vaccinations
W Ashford Vaccinations
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2021-04-04 15:40:58 UTC
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Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
Re: Stephen Bingham (at least in part)
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Ah, sorry, I wasn't clear - when I said tell us where you've looked, I
meant specific records - e. g. 1861 census, birth index, someplace
parish record
Sorry I see what you mean, it's just that the detail you (I) get from specific
records "seems" more dependant of the site you look, I admit to being spoiled,
most of my searches are for in and around Woodchurch Kent from there I searched
Baptisms 1538-1989
Non-conformist Baptisms 1793-1984
Marriages 1538-1978
Banns 1754-1872
Burials 1538-1990
Parish Chest 1633-1849
Census Collection 1841-1901
Tenterden Union Workhouse Lists 1841-1901
Monumental Inscriptions
All Saints Cemetery Plans
Trade Directories
Absent Voters 1918
Newspaper Indexes
Tithe Assessment 1843
Pauper List 1833
Pauper List 1834
Electoral Roll 1832
Bonny Cravat Innkeepers
Mid-Kent Marriage Index
Romney Marsh Baptisms
Royal West Kent Bn Orders
Tenterden Vaccinations
W Ashford Vaccinations
I also said:
---
Perhaps, you could post all you _do_ know about your ancestor, saying
for each piece of information where (record, not site) where you got it;
that way we can avoid duplication of effort. Also, perhaps, if there's a
specific piece of information you _are_ after (and any you're _not_
interested in).
---
But I'll wait a couple of days so you can make the most of the Ancestry
free weekend (which, sadly, john told me doesn't include the public
trees, which is a pity).

He also said:
This is the specific Stephen Bingham b 1860 Frittenden, Kent tree
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/K2XC-T5H
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The web is a blank slate; you can't design technology that is 'good'. You can't
design paper that you can only write good things on. There are no good or evil
tools. You can put an engine in an ambulance or a tank. - Sir Tim Berners-Lee,
Radio Times 2009-Jan-30 to -Feb-5.
r***@yahoo.co.uk
2021-04-05 05:35:32 UTC
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04 April 2021 at 16:40, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Re: Stephen Bingham (at least in part)
Perhaps, you could post all you _do_ know about your ancestor, saying for
each piece of information where (record, not site) where you got it; that way
we can avoid duplication of effort. Also, perhaps, if there's a specific
piece of information you _are_ after (and any you're _not_ interested in).
But I'll wait a couple of days so you can make the most of the Ancestry
free weekend (which, sadly, john told me doesn't include the public
trees, which is a pity).
This is the specific Stephen Bingham b 1860 Frittenden, Kent tree
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/K2XC-T5H
Many thanks for that

I spent all last night on there, adding the content of the tree to my data,
I've got the direct line done, I will have to go back for the other children
when my eye start to work again, and I can get on a faster broadband line
and/or another browser, FS does not work well (or at all sometimes) with any of
my normal browsers/desktop PC's

for now I will double check the "new" data against the sources I use most
john
2021-04-05 09:19:52 UTC
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Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
Re: Stephen Bingham (at least in part)
Perhaps, you could post all you _do_ know about your ancestor, saying for
each piece of information where (record, not site) where you got it; that way
we can avoid duplication of effort. Also, perhaps, if there's a specific
piece of information you _are_ after (and any you're _not_ interested in).
But I'll wait a couple of days so you can make the most of the Ancestry
free weekend (which, sadly, john told me doesn't include the public
trees, which is a pity).
This is the specific Stephen Bingham b 1860 Frittenden, Kent tree
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/K2XC-T5H
Many thanks for that
I spent all last night on there, adding the content of the tree to my data,
I've got the direct line done, I will have to go back for the other children
when my eye start to work again, and I can get on a faster broadband line
and/or another browser, FS does not work well (or at all sometimes) with any of
my normal browsers/desktop PC's
for now I will double check the "new" data against the sources I use most
I still don't understand why you couldn't find that tree in
familysearch; I mentioned the link to J P Gilliver as being easily
retrievable? Did you even try the hints to find it I gave you?

I would recommend that, rather than just adding the content of the tree
to your data, you check the data first. Best to just use public trees to
aid your research. Public trees are often riddled with errors and the
trees are blindly copied and the errors replicated elsewhere. And then
many of those tree owners are unwilling to update their trees when given
the correct information as it would be too much effort.

Exact date searching can be a problem. Christenings may be the only
record of a birth and they can take place many years later (I think the
biggest gap I have is nine years!)

Searching for UK is not really a good idea. Just about all databases use
the individual countries although some search engines will now expand
the search. I'm surprised you searched for Fritenden rather than
Frittenden, especially as you know the area, as that could limit your
searches in some databases.

Towns near a county border could have their BMD recorded in the
registration district in a neighbouring county. Many of the earlier
census/parish records were recorded by individuals who wrote down what
they heard. With strong local accents and without local area knowledge
that could easily result in mistakes.

Then those who transcribed the records for the computer databases (and
prior to that, some of the BMD records which were typed up to save the
originals from damage) could make introduce new errors or misread the
handwriting. I remember some of the Ancestry census transcriptions had
problems with children born within a year before the census who recorded
as x months old. Unfortunately their age was often recorded as x years old.

The free Lost Cousins https://www.lostcousins.com newsletter often has
useful Masterclasses on genealogy searching techniques; a search for
site:www.lostcousins.com masterclass
will give you links to them.
This is a recent one on MASTERCLASS: Tracking down pre-1837 baptisms and
marriages
https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/endmar21news.htm#Masterclass
r***@yahoo.co.uk
2021-04-05 12:09:45 UTC
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05 April 2021 at 11:19, john wrote:
Re: Stephen Bingham (at least in part)
Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
This is the specific Stephen Bingham b 1860 Frittenden, Kent tree
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/K2XC-T5H
Many thanks for that
I spent all last night on there, adding the content of the tree to my data,
for now I will double check the "new" data against the sources I use most
I still don't understand why you couldn't find that tree in familysearch;
TBH, Family Search was not working for me (as I mentioned) and with sites that
did/do work...
I mentioned the link to J P Gilliver as being easily retrievable? Did you
even try the hints to find it I gave you?
Before I signed up I got random Stephen Binghams

After, even when I left FS "Transfering data from Edge.fscdn.org..." for 90
minutes the best I could get was a blank white screen or spinning "buffering"

It may be that I use a browser or PC that FS does not like
<ITguy rant> As PC's / browsers get faster and more powerful web developers
"expect" more </ITguy rant>
I would recommend that, rather than just adding the content of the tree to
your data, you check the data first.
As Easter is almost over (and I had a lappy I was cleaning/updating) I took the
chance, I will try to verify the data through other sources now
Best to just use public trees to aid your research.
Exact date searching can be a problem. Christenings may be the only
record of a birth and they can take place many years later (I think the
biggest gap I have is nine years!)
For most part my (birth?) data is from
Baptisms (1538-1989) or Non-conformist Baptisms (1793-1984)

I have, of late found that the vaccination records give a better idea of the
actual birth date, it seems they were far more likely to vaccinate soon then
Baptise later, maybe it was a requirment? (things don't change much!!)
Searching for UK is not really a good idea.
Never do, it's England, if I were not English I guess I may have done GB/UK
searchs
I'm surprised you searched for Fritenden rather than Frittenden, especially
as you know the area, as that could limit your searches in some databases.
Typo on my part sometimes, but usually select "soundex" just in case, spellings
being random in experence
Towns near a county border could have their BMD recorded in the
registration district in a neighbouring county.
I'm lucky there, but the same applies for village/town borders, not to mention
any local "friction" between villages or Church/Chapel
The free Lost Cousins https://www.lostcousins.com newsletter
I'll add that to my sessions thank you
john
2021-04-05 12:40:05 UTC
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Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
Re: Stephen Bingham (at least in part)
Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
This is the specific Stephen Bingham b 1860 Frittenden, Kent tree
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/K2XC-T5H
Many thanks for that
I spent all last night on there, adding the content of the tree to my data,
for now I will double check the "new" data against the sources I use most
I still don't understand why you couldn't find that tree in familysearch;
TBH, Family Search was not working for me (as I mentioned) and with sites that
did/do work...
I mentioned the link to J P Gilliver as being easily retrievable? Did you
even try the hints to find it I gave you?
Before I signed up I got random Stephen Binghams
After, even when I left FS "Transfering data from Edge.fscdn.org..." for 90
minutes the best I could get was a blank white screen or spinning "buffering"
It may be that I use a browser or PC that FS does not like
<ITguy rant> As PC's / browsers get faster and more powerful web developers
"expect" more </ITguy rant>
I would recommend that, rather than just adding the content of the tree to
your data, you check the data first.
As Easter is almost over (and I had a lappy I was cleaning/updating) I took the
chance, I will try to verify the data through other sources now
Best to just use public trees to aid your research.
Exact date searching can be a problem. Christenings may be the only
record of a birth and they can take place many years later (I think the
biggest gap I have is nine years!)
For most part my (birth?) data is from
Baptisms (1538-1989) or Non-conformist Baptisms (1793-1984)
I have, of late found that the vaccination records give a better idea of the
actual birth date, it seems they were far more likely to vaccinate soon then
Baptise later, maybe it was a requirment? (things don't change much!!)
Perhaps you can give a link to those vaccination records?
Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
Searching for UK is not really a good idea.
Never do, it's England, if I were not English I guess I may have done GB/UK
searchs
GB and UK are equally bad.
Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
I'm surprised you searched for Fritenden rather than Frittenden, especially
as you know the area, as that could limit your searches in some databases.
Typo on my part sometimes, but usually select "soundex" just in case, spellings
being random in experence
Towns near a county border could have their BMD recorded in the
registration district in a neighbouring county.
I'm lucky there, but the same applies for village/town borders, not to mention
any local "friction" between villages or Church/Chapel
The free Lost Cousins https://www.lostcousins.com newsletter
I'll add that to my sessions thank you
I asked about your search terms
Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
It seems your search terms are rather odd if you are getting USA
results
Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
in familysearch.
and on 03/04/2021 at 10.51 you replied to my comment

Not that I can see

Stephen Bingham
birthyear 1860
birthplace Fritenden, Kent, UK
r***@yahoo.co.uk
2021-04-05 15:37:38 UTC
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05 April 2021 at 14:40, john wrote:
Re: Stephen Bingham (at least in part)
Post by john
Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
Re: Stephen Bingham (at least in part)
For most part my (birth?) data is from
Baptisms (1538-1989) or Non-conformist Baptisms (1793-1984)
I have, of late found that the vaccination records give a better idea of the
actual birth date, it seems they were far more likely to vaccinate soon then
Baptise later, maybe it was a requirment? (things don't change much!!)
Perhaps you can give a link to those vaccination records?
Very local, but would think other areas may have similar lists

Tenterden area and around
https://www.woodchurchancestry.org.uk/vaccinations/index.html

West Ashford area and around
https://www.woodchurchancestry.org.uk/wavaccinations/index.html

other great links see
https://www.woodchurchancestry.org.uk/

a real Swiss Army Knife of genealogy
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2021-04-05 15:40:42 UTC
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On Mon, 5 Apr 2021 at 11:19:52, john <***@s145802280.onlinehome.fr>
wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
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Post by john
I would recommend that, rather than just adding the content of the tree
to your data, you check the data first. Best to just use public trees
to aid your research. Public trees are often riddled with errors and
the trees are blindly copied and the errors replicated elsewhere. And
I heartily agree - to the extent that if I find ten trees that say one
thing and one that says something different, I give that one at least as
much weight (more if there's evidence its compiler is conscientious!).
Post by john
then many of those tree owners are unwilling to update their trees when
given the correct information as it would be too much effort.
Indeed.

(Having said that - I keep my master data here on this computer [and
backups of course], and upload a GeDCom to Ancestry and/or familysearch
occasionally, which I don't tend to update [until next time I upload],
but at least if someone tells me of an error, I do reply to them.)
Post by john
Exact date searching can be a problem. Christenings may be the only
record of a birth and they can take place many years later (I think the
biggest gap I have is nine years!)
Adult baptisms are known, though I haven't found any in my researches,
but I've certainly found some years' delay - in at least two cases, my
ancestors went for a "job lot", having several of theirs dunked on the
same day.

_Sometimes_ you find the vicar has recorded the birth date as well as
the baptism one - even when they're using the printed forms, a
surprising number wrote it in the left margin.

A lot of trees, though, record the baptism date as the birth date )-:.
Post by john
Searching for UK is not really a good idea. Just about all databases
use the individual countries although some search engines will now
expand the search. I'm surprised you searched for Fritenden rather
than Frittenden, especially as you know the area, as that could limit
your searches in some databases.
It's well worth learning how the various sites accept wildcards. I'd try
"Frit*den" - or even Frit*n or Frit* - for this case. (Not all sites
accept wildcards, or not in all fields; a lot of Ancestry forms, for
example, will accept them for names but not places.) There are other
wrinkles - I've found cases where at least two non-wild characters are
required before the wild one. (And the results didn't make that clear at
all - they might even say "no hits".)
Post by john
Towns near a county border could have their BMD recorded in the
registration district in a neighbouring county. Many of the earlier
census/parish records were recorded by individuals who wrote down what
they heard. With strong local accents and without local area knowledge
that could easily result in mistakes.
FindMyPast has a distance slider in miles - though, infuriatingly, not
on all their search forms; in fact I think only their country-wide ones,
not the specific counties' records!
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Post by john
handwriting. I remember some of the Ancestry census transcriptions had
problems with children born within a year before the census who
recorded as x months old. Unfortunately their age was often recorded as
x years old.
Allegedly that has also plagued some of the recent GRO reindexing of
their index.
Post by john
The free Lost Cousins https://www.lostcousins.com newsletter often has
useful Masterclasses on genealogy searching techniques; a search for
site:www.lostcousins.com masterclass
will give you links to them.
Yes, agreed. Peter is not modest, and somewhat forthright, but he's very
good!
Post by john
This is a recent one on MASTERCLASS: Tracking down pre-1837 baptisms
and marriages
https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/endmar21news.htm#Masterclass
That section (you have to scroll down quite a bit from the heading, as
usual) has his latest list of which of the two companies (Ancestry and
FindMyPast) has what counties' records.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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john
2021-04-01 21:21:59 UTC
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Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
Hi All
searching for more data on (my great-great-uncle)
Stephen Bingham
Born: 1 May 1860 in Fritenden, Kent, England
Father: William Bingham
Mother: Mary Ann Ransley
Spouse: Anne / Fanny (Died Dec 1946)
any other data please, I've searched the sites I can access, but there seems
nothing on him
I'm not sure whether you have tried at all?

Even simple search for him in the free familysearch.org immediately
gives entries for the 1861,1871,1891,1911 censuses, birth, children's
births, etc. and FreeBMD gives his death.
knuttle
2021-04-01 21:58:05 UTC
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Post by john
Post by r***@yahoo.co.uk
Hi All
searching for more data on (my great-great-uncle)
Stephen Bingham
Born:     1 May 1860 in Fritenden, Kent, England
Father:     William Bingham
Mother:     Mary Ann Ransley
Spouse:    Anne / Fanny (Died Dec 1946)
any other data please, I've searched the sites I can access, but there
seems
nothing on him
I'm not sure whether you have tried at all?
Even simple search for him in the free familysearch.org immediately
gives entries for the 1861,1871,1891,1911 censuses, birth, children's
births, etc. and FreeBMD gives his death.
Also remember there are two parts to Family Search. There is the
general search from the many page. Then here is the local records.
While some of the local records are index and can be searched from the
search engine for the local records, the best access is from the native
indexes found in the individual files.

There Wills and Probate records from six diocese and nearly 35000
document images or the original pages in the local records of FamilySearch.

Assuming that if I can access them in the US, you can access them from
the UK
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