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Pocahontas and her grand-daughter Anne ROLFE
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Stuart Cresswell
2005-10-27 10:02:57 UTC
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Pocahontas and her grand-daughter Anne ROLFE

I have been trying to put together some notes on these ancestors and
want to confirm the details and beliefs which we have.

The questions are:

1 Did Thomas ROLFE marry Elizabeth WASHINGTON in England before going to
Virginia?
2 When and where did that marriage take place?
3 Did they have a child Anne?
4 Where and when was Anne baptised?
5 When and where did Anne die?

I have checked some websites and they seem to ignore the “fact” that
Pocahontas had an English born grand-daughter. It is this fact that I am
trying to confirm.

I “know” that John ROLFE was baptised at Heacham, Norfolk 6 may 1585 and
married in 1608 (Sarah Hacker, per US sites) in England before setting
out for Virginia in 1608.

He was shipwrecked at Bermuda where a daughter, named Bermuda, was born
(baptised 11 Feb 1609/10) and died. His wife either died there or
shortly after arriving in Virginia in May 1610.

I will not rehearse the business with Capt John SMITH but…

Pocahontas (pet name of Matoaka daughter of Wahunascook (?spelling)
Great Chief of the Algonquin Indians – she is believed to have been born
about 1595) was held hostage in Jamestown Fort living with Rev Alexander
Whitacker. This was about 1612.

Pocahontas and John ROLFE (a devout and educated Christian) fell in
love; she was baptised a Christian with the name Rebecka and they
married 5 April 1614 at Jamestown.

Thomas ROLFE son of John and Pocahontas was born 30 Jan 1614/15 at
Smith’s Plantation, Virginia.

In 1616 John, Pocahontas and Thomas (with at least one of her brothers)
sailed with Sir Thomas Dale for England.

(It was about this time that Capt John SMITH first wrote his account of
his first meeting with Pocahontas)

In March 1616/17, with Pocahontas and Thomas in ill health, they decided
to return to Virginia. However Pocahontas died and is buried (21 Mar
1616/17) at St George’s Church, Gravesend.

John and Thomas carried on, but on reaching Plymouth John decided that
Thomas would not survive the voyage and left him first with Sir Lewis
Stukeley and then with John’s brother Henry a merchant in London (and
also a member of the Virginia Company). So Thomas grew up in England.

In Virginia John married (again) about 1620 Jane daughter of Capt
William Pierce (or Pyers) and they had a daughter Elizabeth born 1620.
He became Recorder and Secretary General to the colony and a member of
the Council and is the only member of the first American Legislature
(the Virginia Assembly of 1619) known to have descendants alive today.
John died in 1622, possibly in the massacre at Henrico. His will was
proved at PCC 21 may 1630 by his father-in-law William Pierce.

So far I don’t think anyone disagrees with the story. However here is
where there are “blanks” on US websites.

In England Thomas ROLFE married Elizabeth WASHINGTON in 1632 and their
daughter Anne was born in 1633. Elizabeth died either in childbirth or
shortly after.

In 1635 Thomas went to Virginia to claim his inheritance, he remarried
(about 1640 to Jane Poythress or Poyers) and never returned to England.
He left his daughter with his cousin Anthony Rolfe, who brought her up
as his own child.

Anne ROLFE married Peter ELWIN of Thurning, Norfolk, (not far from the
home of the Rolfes in Heacham). Peter was born at Thurning in 1623 and
was buried there 7 July 1695. His will was proved 14 Oct 1695.

The ELWINs go back at least to Peter (a very popular name in the family)
of Wiggenhall near King’s Lynn, Norfolk living 1167 and the descent of
many (including me) from Peter ELWIN and Anne ROLFE is well known. They
also held a number of Pocahontas “heirlooms” including her portrait
(until 1926 and now in National Art Gallery, Washington)


Stuart
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2005-10-27 16:07:27 UTC
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Pocahontas and her grand-daughter Anne ROLFE
I have been trying to put together some notes on these ancestors and
want to confirm the details and beliefs which we have.
1 Did Thomas ROLFE marry Elizabeth WASHINGTON in England before going to
Virginia?
2 When and where did that marriage take place?
3 Did they have a child Anne?
4 Where and when was Anne baptised?
5 When and where did Anne die?
I have checked some websites and they seem to ignore the "fact" that
Pocahontas had an English born grand-daughter. It is this fact that I am
trying to confirm.
I "know" that John ROLFE was baptised at Heacham, Norfolk 6 may 1585 and
married in 1608 (Sarah Hacker, per US sites) in England before setting
out for Virginia in 1608.
He was shipwrecked at Bermuda where a daughter, named Bermuda, was born
(baptised 11 Feb 1609/10) and died. His wife either died there or
shortly after arriving in Virginia in May 1610.
I will not rehearse the business with Capt John SMITH but...
Pocahontas (pet name of Matoaka daughter of Wahunascook (?spelling)
Great Chief of the Algonquin Indians - she is believed to have been born
about 1595) was held hostage in Jamestown Fort living with Rev Alexander
Whitacker. This was about 1612.
Pocahontas and John ROLFE (a devout and educated Christian) fell in
love; she was baptised a Christian with the name Rebecka and they
married 5 April 1614 at Jamestown.
Thomas ROLFE son of John and Pocahontas was born 30 Jan 1614/15 at
Smith's Plantation, Virginia.
In 1616 John, Pocahontas and Thomas (with at least one of her brothers)
sailed with Sir Thomas Dale for England.
(It was about this time that Capt John SMITH first wrote his account of
his first meeting with Pocahontas)
In March 1616/17, with Pocahontas and Thomas in ill health, they decided
to return to Virginia. However Pocahontas died and is buried (21 Mar
1616/17) at St George's Church, Gravesend.
John and Thomas carried on, but on reaching Plymouth John decided that
Thomas would not survive the voyage and left him first with Sir Lewis
Stukeley and then with John's brother Henry a merchant in London (and
also a member of the Virginia Company). So Thomas grew up in England.
In Virginia John married (again) about 1620 Jane daughter of Capt
William Pierce (or Pyers) and they had a daughter Elizabeth born 1620.
He became Recorder and Secretary General to the colony and a member of
the Council and is the only member of the first American Legislature
(the Virginia Assembly of 1619) known to have descendants alive today.
John died in 1622, possibly in the massacre at Henrico. His will was
proved at PCC 21 may 1630 by his father-in-law William Pierce.
So far I don't think anyone disagrees with the story. However here is
where there are "blanks" on US websites.
In England Thomas ROLFE married Elizabeth WASHINGTON in 1632 and their
daughter Anne was born in 1633. Elizabeth died either in childbirth or
shortly after.
In 1635 Thomas went to Virginia to claim his inheritance, he remarried
(about 1640 to Jane Poythress or Poyers) and never returned to England.
He left his daughter with his cousin Anthony Rolfe, who brought her up
as his own child.
Anne ROLFE married Peter ELWIN of Thurning, Norfolk, (not far from the
home of the Rolfes in Heacham). Peter was born at Thurning in 1623 and
was buried there 7 July 1695. His will was proved 14 Oct 1695.
The ELWINs go back at least to Peter (a very popular name in the family)
of Wiggenhall near King's Lynn, Norfolk living 1167 and the descent of
many (including me) from Peter ELWIN and Anne ROLFE is well known. They
also held a number of Pocahontas "heirlooms" including her portrait
(until 1926 and now in National Art Gallery, Washington)
Stuart
Dear Stuart,

Funnily enough I was recently looking into the Rolfe/Pocahontas lines,
trying to find any support for a descent I saw for the Mountbattens et
al.; it seems that particular descent wasn't valid, being rather a 'cut
& shut' type of grafting of two different lines who happened to share
the name Rolfe and come from Norfolk. As an aside this Elwin match did
keep cropping up too; there is a researcher who has posted a lot of
critical observations on the Rolfe forum on Ancestry/Rootsweb: IIRC
she concluded that the story of Anne Elwin's fostering was a later
romantic invention, there was no reason to doubt that she was in fact
the real daughter of Anthony Rolfe, and there is no proof that this
Anthony was even related to John Rolfe (the closest possible link,
assuming their respective ancestors to have been brothers, would make
them second cousins once removed, and John Rolfe did have closer
relatives than that). I don't recall what the verdict on the Thomas
Rolfe marriage to Elizabeth Washington was; I think though that there
was no proof that it was the same Thomas who was son of Pocahontas. The
upshot seems to be that her descendants are only found within America
for most of the succeeding centuries, as detailed in the various books
listing them.

I would stress that I have done no original research myself on this,
and am merely reporting what I gathered from others, who have done: you
will probably prefer to keep the matter open (the Pocahontas heirlooms,
for instance, are an added ingredient). Anthony Rolfe was anyway the
father of Hannah, ancestor of countess Mountbatten; the pedigree I'd
seen tried to make Anthony the son of Thomas (son of Pocahontas), which
soon falls apart chronologically.

PS are you related to the Norfolk family of Cresswells who derived from
Northumberland?

Matthew
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2015-10-13 03:53:17 UTC
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I'm a Rolfe and my grandmother said my family came from england and I'm related to Pocahontas,, I have not been able to confirm this because my mother raised me from birth and do not know my family history other than my father was born in Chicago I'll as Jackie Don Rolfe,, or Jack Rolfe
John Hill
2015-10-13 15:41:16 UTC
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I'm a Rolfe and my grandmother said my family came from england and I'm
related to Pocahontas,, I have not been able to confirm this because my
mother raised me from birth and do not know my family history other than
my father was born in Chicago I'll as Jackie Don Rolfe,, or Jack Rolfe
I don't think I can help all *that* much, but I have some Australian
ROLFEs starting with Edmund Rolfe, for whom I have "born ca 1840 in
Oxborough, Norfolk, England", with a note:
"Descended from William Rolfe, of Oxbury, Norfolk.
The Rolfe family claimed to be able to trace their family line back to
John Rolfe who was among the earlier settlers in Virginia, USA, and who
married the Indian "princess" Pocahontas"

The reference is
Biographical Register of Canberra and Queanbeyan from the district to
the Australian Capital Terriotry 1820-1930, Peter Procter, The Heraldry
& Genealogy Society of Canberra Inc, 2001, page 271.

A second reference is
"WorldConnect Project," http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/, 13 Feb 2006.
Data from this source should be treated as provisional unless
independently verified. A note appended to this reads "ecowdery Edwina
Cowdery's Family Tree (Edwina Cowdery)".

Please note that this is not original research by me, as I got it
second-hand; you should verify it for yourself before adding any of it
to your data. I only have it because his daughter Maria T Rolfe married
one of my Hibberson family.

HTH,

John.
--
Please reply to john at yclept dot wanadoo dot co dot uk.
Robert G Eldridge
2015-10-24 05:53:37 UTC
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I'm a Rolfe and my grandmother said my family came from england
and I'm related to Pocahontas,, I have not been able to confirm this
because my mother raised me from birth and do not know my family
history other than my father was born in Chicago I'll as Jackie Don Rolfe,,
or Jack Rolfe
One of my Eldridge research pages, specifically the one at;
http://members.iinet.net.au/~rgkje/eldridge/te24.html
makes reference in the introductory text to a book that I suspect will
be of much interest in your research.

The book is available from the Internet Archive at;
https://archive.org/
or you can email me directly and I can reply with a 2.56MB PDF version
of the book attached.
--
Robert G. Eldridge Toronto NSW Australia
http://www.eldridgegenealogy.org
Now researching ELDRIDGE families world wide
1000s at my Web site *Wanted* any Eldridge related information
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