Do Google Maps short addresses have limited life?

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

I mean like https://goo.gl/maps/uqQaWaPs41R2
I would like to note this location/view in the notes for someone in my
data, but it occurred to me that these URLs might have a short lifetime.
(I know all URLs don't last for ever, but YKWIM.)


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[Charles Ellson]

On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 23:55:28 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I mean like https://goo.gl/maps/uqQaWaPs41R2
I would like to note this location/view in the notes for someone in my
data, but it occurred to me that these URLs might have a short lifetime.
(I know all URLs don't last for ever, but YKWIM.)

The long one last "forever" in the sense that the geographic
coordinates won't change unless the planet changes and the associated
direction and zoom settings ought to last as long as Google Maps. For
the short ones you might have to trawl through the menu at top left
(or Google with appropriate search terms?) to see if anything is
mentioned.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by Charles Ellson
On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 23:55:28 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I mean like https://goo.gl/maps/uqQaWaPs41R2
I would like to note this location/view in the notes for someone in my
data, but it occurred to me that these URLs might have a short lifetime.
(I know all URLs don't last for ever, but YKWIM.)

The long one last "forever" in the sense that the geographic
coordinates won't change unless the planet changes and the associated
direction and zoom settings ought to last as long as Google Maps. For
the short ones you might have to trawl through the menu at top left

top left of what?

Post by Charles Ellson
(or Google with appropriate search terms?) to see if anything is
mentioned.

I was hoping someone here might have done that, or know from some other
route.

JPG
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[Charles Ellson]

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 01:40:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Charles Ellson
On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 23:55:28 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I mean like https://goo.gl/maps/uqQaWaPs41R2
I would like to note this location/view in the notes for someone in my
data, but it occurred to me that these URLs might have a short lifetime.
(I know all URLs don't last for ever, but YKWIM.)

The long one last "forever" in the sense that the geographic
coordinates won't change unless the planet changes and the associated
direction and zoom settings ought to last as long as Google Maps. For
the short ones you might have to trawl through the menu at top left

top left of what?

The triple bars ("Menu" when you hover over it) to the left of "Search
Google Maps" which lead to a drop-down menu including "Tips and
Tricks", "Get Help" etc.(you might need to scroll down to see those
off the bottom of the screen). ISTR at least one of them leads by a
devious route to blogs with various bits of useful user-generated
information. They might also have been indexed by Google thus giving
you another route to them.
Your answer might be in
https://support.google.com/faqs/answer/190768?hl=en
which includes "The same short URL is reused each time a long URL is
shortened by you or someone else.", i.e. it doesn't seem to be the
next available random string rather than a consistent form of
shortening.

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Charles Ellson
(or Google with appropriate search terms?) to see if anything is
mentioned.

I was hoping someone here might have done that, or know from some other
route.
JPG
.
Visit 255soft.uk if you find petitions unfair (and please *pass it on*, too).

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by Charles Ellson
On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 01:40:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Charles Ellson
On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 23:55:28 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I mean like https://goo.gl/maps/uqQaWaPs41R2
I would like to note this location/view in the notes for someone in my
data, but it occurred to me that these URLs might have a short lifetime.
(I know all URLs don't last for ever, but YKWIM.)

The long one last "forever" in the sense that the geographic
coordinates won't change unless the planet changes and the associated
direction and zoom settings ought to last as long as Google Maps. For
the short ones you might have to trawl through the menu at top left

top left of what?

The triple bars ("Menu" when you hover over it) to the left of "Search
Google Maps" which lead to a drop-down menu including "Tips and

Ah. I didn't have that: when I pasted the above short URL into Chrome, I
got a full-window picture. It had a little box at top left, with a few
things in it, and a left-arrow. When I clicked that, the picture
disappeared to be replaced with a map, and I get the left third of the
screen with things in, including the Search Google Maps and three bars
that hoverover as Menu, as you describe.

Post by Charles Ellson
Tricks", "Get Help" etc.(you might need to scroll down to see those
off the bottom of the screen). ISTR at least one of them leads by a
devious route to blogs with various bits of useful user-generated
information. They might also have been indexed by Google thus giving
you another route to them.
Your answer might be in
https://support.google.com/faqs/answer/190768?hl=en
which includes "The same short URL is reused each time a long URL is
shortened by you or someone else.", i.e. it doesn't seem to be the
next available random string rather than a consistent form of
shortening.

Just experimenting. I go to the full-screen picture again (the link at
the top of this post); it expands it; I get a "Share"; it gives me
https://goo.gl/maps/zSCDeKqcC7q - which is _not_ the same as the one at
the top! I click the leftarrow and get back the map etc., and select
Share (from that menu), and get https://goo.gl/maps/D3DiiBfAXW92. I
close the Share popup, and ask for another one -
https://goo.gl/maps/D3DiiBfAXW92 - seems to be the same. I go back to
the full-window picture, and ask for another - and get
https://goo.gl/maps/Wwc8JVJaFyA2 - so that's the _third_ one for the
picture. (I've just tried it: it does work, giving the same picture as
the first one.)

Post by Charles Ellson

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Charles Ellson
(or Google with appropriate search terms?) to see if anything is
mentioned.

I was hoping someone here might have done that, or know from some other
route.
JPG

[]


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[Charles Ellson]

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 04:04:50 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Charles Ellson
On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 01:40:38 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Charles Ellson
On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 23:55:28 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I mean like https://goo.gl/maps/uqQaWaPs41R2
I would like to note this location/view in the notes for someone in my
data, but it occurred to me that these URLs might have a short lifetime.
(I know all URLs don't last for ever, but YKWIM.)

The long one last "forever" in the sense that the geographic
coordinates won't change unless the planet changes and the associated
direction and zoom settings ought to last as long as Google Maps. For
the short ones you might have to trawl through the menu at top left

top left of what?

The triple bars ("Menu" when you hover over it) to the left of "Search
Google Maps" which lead to a drop-down menu including "Tips and

Ah. I didn't have that: when I pasted the above short URL into Chrome, I
got a full-window picture. It had a little box at top left, with a few
things in it, and a left-arrow. When I clicked that, the picture
disappeared to be replaced with a map, and I get the left third of the
screen with things in, including the Search Google Maps and three bars
that hoverover as Menu, as you describe.

Post by Charles Ellson
Tricks", "Get Help" etc.(you might need to scroll down to see those
off the bottom of the screen). ISTR at least one of them leads by a
devious route to blogs with various bits of useful user-generated
information. They might also have been indexed by Google thus giving
you another route to them.
Your answer might be in
https://support.google.com/faqs/answer/190768?hl=en
which includes "The same short URL is reused each time a long URL is
shortened by you or someone else.", i.e. it doesn't seem to be the
next available random string rather than a consistent form of
shortening.

Just experimenting. I go to the full-screen picture again (the link at
the top of this post); it expands it; I get a "Share"; it gives me
https://goo.gl/maps/zSCDeKqcC7q - which is _not_ the same as the one at
the top! I click the leftarrow and get back the map etc., and select
Share (from that menu), and get https://goo.gl/maps/D3DiiBfAXW92. I
close the Share popup, and ask for another one -
https://goo.gl/maps/D3DiiBfAXW92 - seems to be the same. I go back to
the full-window picture, and ask for another - and get
https://goo.gl/maps/Wwc8JVJaFyA2 - so that's the _third_ one for the
picture. (I've just tried it: it does work, giving the same picture as
the first one.)

Note that it is going to change with the slightest alteration if e.g.
you have moved the viewpoint or zoom level.

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Charles Ellson

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Charles Ellson
(or Google with appropriate search terms?) to see if anything is
mentioned.

I was hoping someone here might have done that, or know from some other
route.
JPG

[]
Visit 255soft.uk if you find petitions unfair (and please *pass it on*, too).

[Keith Nuttle]

Post by Charles Ellson
On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 23:55:28 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I mean like https://goo.gl/maps/uqQaWaPs41R2
I would like to note this location/view in the notes for someone in my
data, but it occurred to me that these URLs might have a short lifetime.
(I know all URLs don't last for ever, but YKWIM.)

The long one last "forever" in the sense that the geographic
coordinates won't change unless the planet changes and the associated
direction and zoom settings ought to last as long as Google Maps. For
the short ones you might have to trawl through the menu at top left
(or Google with appropriate search terms?) to see if anything is
mentioned.

I use the stand alone version of Google Earth. It is constantly updated
by Google so is always correct like the website maps.

The advantage of Google Earth (can be downloaded from Google) is you
can place colored pins at sites you want to remember. I have many
location in google maps pinned. This appears as if you put pins on a
wall map.

The great thing about using Google Earth for this is that you can back
up all of your pins by coping the following files to your back up directory

Windows

Press Ctrl + Esc + r or Windows key + r.
In the "Open" box, enter "C:\Documents and
Settings\%username%\Application Data\Google\GoogleEarth".
If you're using Windows 7 or Windows Vista, enter
"C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Local". If that path doesn't work, enter
"C:\Users\%username%\AppData\LocalLow\Google\GoogleEarth".
Select OK.
In the directory, you'll see a file called "myplaces.kml". This
file has your saved locations.
Note: If you want to replace a corrupted myplaces.kml file, use
"myplaces.backup.kml."


OR using File Explorer go to the folder

C:\Users\%username%\AppData\LocalLow\Google\GoogleEarth

Copy Myplaces.kml and Myplaces.backup.kml to your back up disk or folder.

It you wish to share your pins with a friend or move them to a new
computer replace these files on the new computer with these files from
your back up

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <puknj9$isf$***@gioia.aioe.org>, Keith Nuttle
<***@sbcglobal.net> writes:
[]

Post by Keith Nuttle
I use the stand alone version of Google Earth. It is constantly updated
by Google so is always correct like the website maps.
The advantage of Google Earth (can be downloaded from Google) is you
can place colored pins at sites you want to remember. I have many
location in google maps pinned. This appears as if you put pins on a
wall map.

[]

Post by Keith Nuttle
It you wish to share your pins with a friend or move them to a new
computer replace these files on the new computer with these files from
your back up

I used the short URL to show a cousin the "cottage" her ancestor
visited. I was wondering about adding it to my notes on that ancestor
(which I may well not refer to again for years, possibly not on the same
computer). I don't think Google Earth would be that suitable for either
of these uses; the short URL was fine for showing the cousin "look what
I found", without her having to install anything. I don't think Google
Earth would be good for my long-term notes either; I was wondering if
the shortform URL would, but I _suspect_ it wouldn't.
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[john]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[]

Post by Keith Nuttle
I use the stand alone version of Google Earth. It is constantly
updated by Google so is always correct like the website maps.
The advantage of Google Earth (can be downloaded from Google)  is you
can place colored pins at sites you want to remember.   I have many
location in google maps pinned.  This appears as if you put pins on a
wall map.

[]

Post by Keith Nuttle
It you wish to share your pins with a friend or move them to a new
computer replace these files on the new computer with these files from
your back up

I used the short URL to show a cousin the "cottage" her ancestor
visited. I was wondering about adding it to my notes on that ancestor
(which I may well not refer to again for years, possibly not on the same
computer). I don't think Google Earth would be that suitable for either
of these uses; the short URL was fine for showing the cousin "look what
I found", without her having to install anything. I don't think Google
Earth would be good for my long-term notes either; I was wondering if
the shortform URL would, but I _suspect_ it wouldn't.

As was pointed out earlier, the long URL contain the longitude/latitude
so you can extract that and use it on with any map service, sat nav, or
even a printed map ;)

Given the way Google change/drop services (and they have made a lot to
Google Maps usage over the years) the short code isn't something you
should rely on for archival purposes.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <pulbfq$1luu$***@gioia.aioe.org>, john
<***@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> writes:
[]

Post by john
As was pointed out earlier, the long URL contain the longitude/latitude
so you can extract that and use it on with any map service, sat nav, or
even a printed map ;)
Given the way Google change/drop services (and they have made a lot to
Google Maps usage over the years) the short code isn't something you
should rely on for archival purposes.

That was more or less what I suspected. Richard Smith's geo: URLs sound
like an excellent idea, so like him, I hope support for them by browsers
will increase.
JPG


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Post by Charles Ellson
On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 23:55:28 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I mean like https://goo.gl/maps/uqQaWaPs41R2
I would like to note this location/view in the notes for someone in my
data, but it occurred to me that these URLs might have a short lifetime.
(I know all URLs don't last for ever, but YKWIM.)

The long one last "forever" in the sense that the geographic
coordinates won't change unless the planet changes and the associated
direction and zoom settings ought to last as long as Google Maps.

Google could change the form of the long URLs so that they no longer
work, but at least they contain the latitude and longitude in an easily
extractable form.

In theory, a better approach would be to use geo: URLs, as per RFC 5870.
The idea is that a URL like geo:52.2,0.1 will open in your preferred
map site or application. Unfortunately, browser support for them is
pretty poor. They work well on Android, and apparently in the Konqueror
browser too; Firefox has some support for them, but not enough to make
them work out of the box. I'm not sure the status of other browsers,
but I suspect support is not good. Maybe in another five years.

Richard

[Evertjan.]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
https://goo.gl/maps/uqQaWaPs41R2

Cortiebrae Cottage
Lonmay
Fraserburgh
AB43 8SS
UK

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by Evertjan.

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
https://goo.gl/maps/uqQaWaPs41R2

Cortiebrae Cottage
Lonmay
Fraserburgh
AB43 8SS
UK

Yes, I suppose the address and postcode would be _fairly_ long-lasting!
If anyone's wondering: the original was given as UK address, for Edith
Summers and her two daughters, who came to England from South Africa in
1927 or '8 and returned about three months later (one of the daughters
having got 2 years younger during their stay). Given that they'd given
it as their address - Cortiebrae, Lonmay, Aberdeenshire - I was
surprised how small it was/is.