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Barnet Workhouse
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l***@gmail.com
2018-10-16 16:56:46 UTC
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My great grandma was registed birth Barnet born in a workhouse rose cramphorn trying to trace her mother's name as don't say mother's maiden name when looked up her birth could her mum be unmarried and a cramphorn someone in family told me she was born in a workhouse
Charles Ellson
2018-10-16 17:22:57 UTC
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My great grandma was registed birth Barnet born in a workhouse rose cramphorn trying to trace her mother's name as don't say mother's maiden name when looked up her birth could her mum be unmarried and a cramphorn someone in family told me she was born in a workhouse
The online indexes now have the mother's maiden surname listed for
older births where they weren't in the printed indexes..
www.gro.gov.uk
Registration is free as is using the indexes.

Note that the local workhouse and the local hospital were often a
shared building or sharing a site; in those cases the mother will not
always have been an inmate of the workhouse. Birth and death
registrations would sometimes use only the street address which could
also make it less certain if a person was a workhouse inmate or just a
patient in a co-located hospital. The site of Barnet workhouse is now
occupied by the Barnet General Hospital, possibly with some original
buildings. Some records are with Hertfordshire Archives :-
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Barnet/
john
2018-10-16 17:43:39 UTC
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My great grandma was registed birth Barnet born in a workhouse rose cramphorn trying to trace her mother's name as don't say mother's maiden name when looked up her birth could her mum be unmarried and a cramphorn someone in family told me she was born in a workhouse
You don't give a date, but possibly
Name: CRAMPHORN, ROSE Mother's Maiden Surname: MANLEY
GRO Reference: 1872 jan-Mar BARNET Volume 03A Page 173

If you buy the birth certificate you will get more detail on location,
father, etc.
Charles Ellson
2018-10-16 18:03:03 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 18:43:39 +0100, john
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Post by l***@gmail.com
My great grandma was registed birth Barnet born in a workhouse rose cramphorn trying to trace her mother's name as don't say mother's maiden name when looked up her birth could her mum be unmarried and a cramphorn someone in family told me she was born in a workhouse
You don't give a date, but possibly
Name: CRAMPHORN, ROSE Mother's Maiden Surname: MANLEY
GRO Reference: 1872 jan-Mar BARNET Volume 03A Page 173
If you buy the birth certificate you will get more detail on location,
father, etc.
That one seems to have a matching death index entry in the following
quarter. Now that the mother's maiden surname is indexed, if the OP
gives the name and year we probably have enough to identify any
preceding marriage and the census entries.
john
2018-10-16 18:53:33 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 18:43:39 +0100, john
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Post by l***@gmail.com
My great grandma was registed birth Barnet born in a workhouse rose cramphorn trying to trace her mother's name as don't say mother's maiden name when looked up her birth could her mum be unmarried and a cramphorn someone in family told me she was born in a workhouse
You don't give a date, but possibly
Name: CRAMPHORN, ROSE Mother's Maiden Surname: MANLEY
GRO Reference: 1872 jan-Mar BARNET Volume 03A Page 173
If you buy the birth certificate you will get more detail on location,
father, etc.
That one seems to have a matching death index entry in the following
quarter. Now that the mother's maiden surname is indexed, if the OP
gives the name and year we probably have enough to identify any
preceding marriage and the census entries.
This seems possible, mother not married
CRAMPHORN, ROSIE Mother's Maiden Surname: -
GRO Reference: 1881 Oct-Dec BARNET Volume 03A Page 193
Charles Ellson
2018-10-16 21:51:40 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 19:53:33 +0100, john
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Post by Charles Ellson
On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 18:43:39 +0100, john
Post by john
Post by l***@gmail.com
My great grandma was registed birth Barnet born in a workhouse rose cramphorn trying to trace her mother's name as don't say mother's maiden name when looked up her birth could her mum be unmarried and a cramphorn someone in family told me she was born in a workhouse
You don't give a date, but possibly
Name: CRAMPHORN, ROSE Mother's Maiden Surname: MANLEY
GRO Reference: 1872 jan-Mar BARNET Volume 03A Page 173
If you buy the birth certificate you will get more detail on location,
father, etc.
That one seems to have a matching death index entry in the following
quarter. Now that the mother's maiden surname is indexed, if the OP
gives the name and year we probably have enough to identify any
preceding marriage and the census entries.
This seems possible, mother not married
CRAMPHORN, ROSIE Mother's Maiden Surname: -
GRO Reference: 1881 Oct-Dec BARNET Volume 03A Page 193
There's a family tree which has a Rosie CRAMPHORN of the same age
married to an Alfred CAREY but the 1901 census has her born in
Stepney.

Better news in Ancestry is an index entry for a Barnet baptism 30 Oct
1881 with a mother Alice (i.e. no father); the listed surname is
CRANPHORN which looks like an error. There don't seem to be any good
following matches which suggests the mother has later died or married.
We could still be looking at the wrong date so hopefully the OP will
give us some more detail. My main suspects for a match are in
Battersea in 1911 with a daughter Rose 7 years older than her parents'
marriage. While Barnet is the registration district, the actual
relevant locality for Rose and Alice in this case is East Finchley. In
1891 that family is at 12 Netley Street, Paddington with Rose's
birthplace given as Barnet, Middlesex. The couple's marriage was in
Holy Trinity Church, Finchley (Barnet registration district) on 17 Mar
1889.

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