Discussion:
Looking for Emma EDE, born 1858-1860
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Steve Hayes
2020-03-02 16:02:38 UTC
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Three girls named Emma EDE were born in the Liskeard district of
Cornwall between 1858 and 1860 (FreeBMD).

One of them married Thomas Fenwick in Houghton-le-Spring RD, but I'm
not sure which one it was.

And what happened to the other two, who seem to have disappeared by
the 1881 Census?
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john
2020-03-02 17:50:45 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
Three girls named Emma EDE were born in the Liskeard district of
Cornwall between 1858 and 1860 (FreeBMD).
One of them married Thomas Fenwick in Houghton-le-Spring RD, but I'm
not sure which one it was.
And what happened to the other two, who seem to have disappeared by
the 1881 Census?
There is a public Ede family tree entry on Ancestry for Emma J Ede
Spouse: Thomas William Fenwick
Father: Robert Ede
Mother: Ann Sandercock
Children:
Birth: 1860 Liscard Cheshire England
Death:
Residence: 1891 Houghton Le Spring Durham England

There is no more information to confirm marriage details in the family
tree entry, but the marriage certificate would give you confirmation.
Jenny M Benson
2020-03-02 18:30:40 UTC
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Post by john
Post by Steve Hayes
Three girls named Emma EDE were born in the Liskeard district of
Cornwall between 1858 and 1860 (FreeBMD).
One of them married Thomas Fenwick in Houghton-le-Spring RD, but I'm
not sure which one it was.
And what happened to the other two, who seem to have disappeared by
the 1881 Census?
There is a public Ede family tree entry on Ancestry for Emma J Ede
Spouse:    Thomas William Fenwick
Father:    Robert Ede
Mother:    Ann Sandercock
Birth:    1860 Liscard Cheshire England
Residence:    1891 Houghton Le Spring Durham England
There is no more information to confirm marriage details in the family
tree entry, but the marriage certificate would give you confirmation.
I wouldn't put much faith in information from someone who doesn't know
the difference between Liskeard, Cornwall and Liscard, Cheshire!

According to an entry in FamilySearch FamilyTree Emma was Emma Jane Ede,
born 1959, St Pinnock. There are Sources, but how reliable these are I
don't know.
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Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK
john
2020-03-03 09:30:37 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by john
Post by Steve Hayes
Three girls named Emma EDE were born in the Liskeard district of
Cornwall between 1858 and 1860 (FreeBMD).
One of them married Thomas Fenwick in Houghton-le-Spring RD, but I'm
not sure which one it was.
And what happened to the other two, who seem to have disappeared by
the 1881 Census?
There is a public Ede family tree entry on Ancestry for Emma J Ede
Spouse:    Thomas William Fenwick
Father:    Robert Ede
Mother:    Ann Sandercock
Birth:    1860 Liscard Cheshire England
Residence:    1891 Houghton Le Spring Durham England
There is no more information to confirm marriage details in the family
tree entry, but the marriage certificate would give you confirmation.
I wouldn't put much faith in information from someone who doesn't know
the difference between Liskeard, Cornwall and Liscard, Cheshire!
According to an entry in FamilySearch FamilyTree Emma was Emma Jane Ede,
born 1959, St Pinnock.  There are Sources, but how reliable these are I
don't know.
That Birth: 1860 Liscard Cheshire England line is an Ancestry error in
their search display results from the family tree. The birth entry there
has five census sources so it is possible it is an error in one of those
(Ancestry did, and possibly still does, have problems generating wrong
counties from district/town names). The family tree has Liscard/Liskeard
in Cornwall for all entries.

Unfortunately it looks as though the family tree may have the wrong
Emma, due to insufficient confirmation.

GRO gives
EDE, EMMA (Mother's Maiden Surname:) SANDERCOCK
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in LISKEARD Volume 05C Page 94
EDE, EMMA JANE TRESIDDER
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in LISKEARD Volume 05C Page 68
EDE, EMMA JANE RUSSEL
GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in LISKEARD Volume 05C Page 82

So it is back to the marriage certificate to find the father's first
name and then his wife.

The other Ede fathers were John (marr Tresidder) and either Thomas or
John George (who both marr Russel)
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-03-02 19:58:00 UTC
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Post by john
Post by Steve Hayes
Three girls named Emma EDE were born in the Liskeard district of
Cornwall between 1858 and 1860 (FreeBMD).
One of them married Thomas Fenwick in Houghton-le-Spring RD, but I'm
not sure which one it was.
In 1878Q1. (That's a long way [it's in Durham] from Cornwall!)

I was going to say you could find some of their children, and then look
at the GRO to get their MMN, but they'd all be Ede! [Or EDE if you wish.
(-:]

But FreeBMD only shows the registration district, which covers quite a
lot of places (see https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/liskeard.html
for a list).

1859Q1, 1859Q3 (Emma Jane), and 1860Q1 (also Emma Jane).

So check 1861 census for Emma Ede born Cornwall 1859 ±2:

Emma Jane Heed 1859 St Pinnock (really, that means shown as age 2)
Emma Ede 1859 Broadoak (2 - so born 1859 or '8)
Emma I Ede 1860 Liskeard (1 - so born 1860 or '59)
Emma J Ede 1860 St Cleer (1)

(All four places come under Liskeard [see the above list].) [The I is
probably a mis-transcribed J.]

1881 census, Emma Fenwick born Cornwall: oh bother, it (the only one)
just says Cornwall! It does say Emma J., though, and she's 22. So born
1859 or '8 - so probably _not_ the 1860Q1 one. (We don't know which that
is though.)

Let's try for that marriage record.

Hmm - can't find it!

1871 census - Emma Ede born Cornwall 1859 ±2:

Emma J Ede born "1860" Liskeard is still in Cornwall
Emma Ede born "1860" Broadoak is still in Cornwall
Emma Jane Ede born "1858" St Pinocle is in Wingate Colliery, DURHAM

Age 13, so really born 1858 or '7. Assuming she's the one shown as born
St Pinnock in the 1861, she's born 1858. Still with parents and
siblings, all born in St Pinocle except the youngest (b. Wingate) - so
the family obviously came north to work in mining. (Not unusual: a clump
of mine, Neave and others, came from Norfolk to Northumberland to do the
same; many came from all over the country [including Ireland] to
Northumberland and Durham at that time.)

So I'd say she's the most likely to be the one who married in H-le-S.
Post by john
Post by Steve Hayes
And what happened to the other two, who seem to have disappeared by
the 1881 Census?
Married or died, I guess. Emma Ede married 1871-1881 gives 9, or 8 if
you exclude the H-le-S one; two are in Cornwall - Emma Louisa in
Penzance 1871Q3, and Emma Jane in Liskeard 1881Q2 (_could_ have been
before the 1881 census, especially if they were a bit late registering
the marriage; seems likely given the name and place). The Penzance one
_could_ be possible - minimum age for marriage didn't change from 12
(for females) until 1929! The others are in Lambeth, Dorking, Aylsham,
St. Olave (Emma Eliza), and Islington (Emma Pamela, listed twice in
error).

Ah, but Emma Ede died 1871-1881: There are 7, only 2 anywhere near the
right age - one (Emma Elizabeth) aged 8 in Melksham (Wiltshire) in
1878Q3, and one aged 10 in Liskeard in 1879Q3.

So I'd say one died, one married - both still in Liskeard.
Post by john
There is a public Ede family tree entry on Ancestry for Emma J Ede
Spouse: Thomas William Fenwick
Father: Robert Ede
Mother: Ann Sandercock
Birth: 1860 Liscard Cheshire England
Residence: 1891 Houghton Le Spring Durham England
There is no more information to confirm marriage details in the family
tree entry, but the marriage certificate would give you confirmation.
I think that'll be her - it's obviously based on the only 1891 census
entry for an Emma Fenwick born in Cornwall - "Liscard" yes, but Cornwall
not Cheshire! Looking at the image it does indeed say (quite clear
writing) Cornwall Liscard. With husband born in Birtley (Durham), a
son-in-law, and ten children (inc. wife of s-i-l) all born H-le-S. (No
mother or m-i-l with them.)

(I have Fenwicks in my data, but all [but one for whom I have no
placing] born in Northumberland.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"... all your hard work in the hands of twelve people too stupid to get off jury
duty." CSI, 200x
Steve Hayes
2020-03-03 12:15:16 UTC
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On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 18:50:45 +0100, john
Post by john
Post by Steve Hayes
Three girls named Emma EDE were born in the Liskeard district of
Cornwall between 1858 and 1860 (FreeBMD).
One of them married Thomas Fenwick in Houghton-le-Spring RD, but I'm
not sure which one it was.
And what happened to the other two, who seem to have disappeared by
the 1881 Census?
There is a public Ede family tree entry on Ancestry for Emma J Ede
Spouse: Thomas William Fenwick
Father: Robert Ede
Mother: Ann Sandercock
Birth: 1860 Liscard Cheshire England
Residence: 1891 Houghton Le Spring Durham England
There is no more information to confirm marriage details in the family
tree entry, but the marriage certificate would give you confirmation.
Thanks for that, and I thought that might be the case, but the Emma
Jane who maried Thomas Fenwick appears to have been in Durham at the
1871 Census, while Emma, daughter of Robert Ede and Ann Sandercock
seems to have still been in Braddock/Broadoak in Cornwall at that
time.

The parents of the Emma Jane Ede who was in Durham are not shown on
the FamilySearch transcription of the Census record (they were
probably on the previous page, and the transcriber may have been
transcribing page by page rather than household by household).
--
Steve Hayes
Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/
http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/
john
2020-03-03 13:12:05 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 18:50:45 +0100, john
Post by john
Post by Steve Hayes
Three girls named Emma EDE were born in the Liskeard district of
Cornwall between 1858 and 1860 (FreeBMD).
One of them married Thomas Fenwick in Houghton-le-Spring RD, but I'm
not sure which one it was.
And what happened to the other two, who seem to have disappeared by
the 1881 Census?
There is a public Ede family tree entry on Ancestry for Emma J Ede
Spouse: Thomas William Fenwick
Father: Robert Ede
Mother: Ann Sandercock
Birth: 1860 Liscard Cheshire England
Residence: 1891 Houghton Le Spring Durham England
There is no more information to confirm marriage details in the family
tree entry, but the marriage certificate would give you confirmation.
Thanks for that, and I thought that might be the case, but the Emma
Jane who maried Thomas Fenwick appears to have been in Durham at the
1871 Census, while Emma, daughter of Robert Ede and Ann Sandercock
seems to have still been in Braddock/Broadoak in Cornwall at that
time.
The parents of the Emma Jane Ede who was in Durham are not shown on
the FamilySearch transcription of the Census record (they were
probably on the previous page, and the transcriber may have been
transcribing page by page rather than household by household).
The parents on the previous page are Mathew and Elizabeth Ede.
Marriages Jun 1847 Ede Matthew MATTHEWS Elizabeth Liskeard 9 231

From GRO, the maiden name of the mother of the other children in that
census is Matthews except for Emma Jane, who does not appear to have
been registered?

The family appear in the 1861 census as Heed in St Pinnock.
Steve Hayes
2020-03-03 16:19:11 UTC
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On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 18:50:45 +0100, john
Post by john
Post by Steve Hayes
Three girls named Emma EDE were born in the Liskeard district of
Cornwall between 1858 and 1860 (FreeBMD).
One of them married Thomas Fenwick in Houghton-le-Spring RD, but I'm
not sure which one it was.
And what happened to the other two, who seem to have disappeared by
the 1881 Census?
There is a public Ede family tree entry on Ancestry for Emma J Ede
Spouse: Thomas William Fenwick
Father: Robert Ede
Mother: Ann Sandercock
Thanks to everyone for their help.

I think I have found her correct family now:

Name: Emma EDE-14402
Sex: Female
Father: Robert EDE-14398 (1825- )
Mother: Anne SANDERCOCK-8440 (1831- )
Individual Facts
Birth abt Mar 1859 Broadoak, Cornwall, England
Chr 10 Apr 1859 (about age 0) St Mary the Virgin, Braddock, Cornwall,
England
Residence 1861 (about age 2) Middle Tap House Hamlet, Braddock,
Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Residence 1871 (about age 12) Braddock, Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Residence 1891 (about age 32) Liskeard, Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Residence 31 Mar 1901 (about age 42) St Pinnock, Cornwall, England,
United Kingdom
Residence 1911 (about age 52) St Pinnock, Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Alt. Name Emma TOMS-14402
Ref # 14402
Marriages/Children
1. William TOMS-14404 (1857- )
Marriage abt Nov 1887 (about age 28) Cornwall, England
Children Charlie TOMS-14405 (1889- )
Ida Emily TOMS (1891- )
--
Steve Hayes
Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/
http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/
john
2020-03-03 18:45:46 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 18:50:45 +0100, john
Post by john
Post by Steve Hayes
Three girls named Emma EDE were born in the Liskeard district of
Cornwall between 1858 and 1860 (FreeBMD).
One of them married Thomas Fenwick in Houghton-le-Spring RD, but I'm
not sure which one it was.
And what happened to the other two, who seem to have disappeared by
the 1881 Census?
There is a public Ede family tree entry on Ancestry for Emma J Ede
Spouse: Thomas William Fenwick
Father: Robert Ede
Mother: Ann Sandercock
Thanks to everyone for their help.
Name: Emma EDE-14402
Sex: Female
Father: Robert EDE-14398 (1825- )
Mother: Anne SANDERCOCK-8440 (1831- )
Individual Facts
Birth abt Mar 1859 Broadoak, Cornwall, England
Chr 10 Apr 1859 (about age 0) St Mary the Virgin, Braddock, Cornwall,
England
Residence 1861 (about age 2) Middle Tap House Hamlet, Braddock,
Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Residence 1871 (about age 12) Braddock, Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Residence 1891 (about age 32) Liskeard, Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Residence 31 Mar 1901 (about age 42) St Pinnock, Cornwall, England,
United Kingdom
Residence 1911 (about age 52) St Pinnock, Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Alt. Name Emma TOMS-14402
Ref # 14402
Marriages/Children
1. William TOMS-14404 (1857- )
Marriage abt Nov 1887 (about age 28) Cornwall, England
Children Charlie TOMS-14405 (1889- )
Ida Emily TOMS (1891- )
But I thought you were interested in the Emma Ede who married Thomas
Fenwick in Houghton-le-Spring?

According to the above FamilySearch record, that Emma married William
Toms and doesn't seem to have gone to County Durham.
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2020-03-03 22:48:32 UTC
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Post by john
Post by Steve Hayes
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 18:50:45 +0100, john
Post by john
Post by Steve Hayes
Three girls named Emma EDE were born in the Liskeard district of
Cornwall between 1858 and 1860 (FreeBMD).
One of them married Thomas Fenwick in Houghton-le-Spring RD, but I'm
not sure which one it was.
And what happened to the other two, who seem to have disappeared by
the 1881 Census?
There is a public Ede family tree entry on Ancestry for Emma J Ede
Spouse: Thomas William Fenwick
Father: Robert Ede
Mother: Ann Sandercock
Thanks to everyone for their help.
Name: Emma EDE-14402
Sex: Female
Father: Robert EDE-14398 (1825- )
Mother: Anne SANDERCOCK-8440 (1831- )
Individual Facts
Birth abt Mar 1859 Broadoak, Cornwall, England
Chr 10 Apr 1859 (about age 0) St Mary the Virgin, Braddock, Cornwall,
England
Residence 1861 (about age 2) Middle Tap House Hamlet, Braddock,
Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Residence 1871 (about age 12) Braddock, Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Residence 1891 (about age 32) Liskeard, Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Residence 31 Mar 1901 (about age 42) St Pinnock, Cornwall, England,
United Kingdom
Residence 1911 (about age 52) St Pinnock, Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Alt. Name Emma TOMS-14402
Ref # 14402
Marriages/Children
1. William TOMS-14404 (1857- )
Marriage abt Nov 1887 (about age 28) Cornwall, England
Children Charlie TOMS-14405 (1889- )
Ida Emily TOMS (1891- )
But I thought you were interested in the Emma Ede who married Thomas
Fenwick in Houghton-le-Spring?
According to the above FamilySearch record, that Emma married William
Toms and doesn't seem to have gone to County Durham.
Indeed. Did you not see my post? I found one Ede (or EDE if you wish)
family that had originated in Cornwall, but the whole family - including
daughter Emma - moved to county Durham, presumably pursuing employment
in mining (much of the rest of the country went to Northumberland and
Durham around this time for that reason; some of my own ancestors went
to Northumberland from Norfolk). They moved before the H-le-S marriage.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

he was eventually struck off by the BMA in 1968 for not knowing his gluteus
maximus from his humerus.
Steve Hayes
2020-03-04 03:20:18 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by john
Post by Steve Hayes
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 18:50:45 +0100, john
Post by john
Post by Steve Hayes
Three girls named Emma EDE were born in the Liskeard district of
Cornwall between 1858 and 1860 (FreeBMD).
One of them married Thomas Fenwick in Houghton-le-Spring RD, but I'm
not sure which one it was.
And what happened to the other two, who seem to have disappeared by
the 1881 Census?
There is a public Ede family tree entry on Ancestry for Emma J Ede
Spouse: Thomas William Fenwick
Father: Robert Ede
Mother: Ann Sandercock
Thanks to everyone for their help.
Name: Emma EDE-14402
Sex: Female
Father: Robert EDE-14398 (1825- )
Mother: Anne SANDERCOCK-8440 (1831- )
Individual Facts
Birth abt Mar 1859 Broadoak, Cornwall, England
Chr 10 Apr 1859 (about age 0) St Mary the Virgin, Braddock, Cornwall,
England
Residence 1861 (about age 2) Middle Tap House Hamlet, Braddock,
Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Residence 1871 (about age 12) Braddock, Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Residence 1891 (about age 32) Liskeard, Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Residence 31 Mar 1901 (about age 42) St Pinnock, Cornwall, England,
United Kingdom
Residence 1911 (about age 52) St Pinnock, Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Alt. Name Emma TOMS-14402
Ref # 14402
Marriages/Children
1. William TOMS-14404 (1857- )
Marriage abt Nov 1887 (about age 28) Cornwall, England
Children Charlie TOMS-14405 (1889- )
Ida Emily TOMS (1891- )
But I thought you were interested in the Emma Ede who married Thomas
Fenwick in Houghton-le-Spring?
According to the above FamilySearch record, that Emma married William
Toms and doesn't seem to have gone to County Durham.
Indeed. Did you not see my post? I found one Ede (or EDE if you wish)
family that had originated in Cornwall, but the whole family - including
daughter Emma - moved to county Durham, presumably pursuing employment
in mining (much of the rest of the country went to Northumberland and
Durham around this time for that reason; some of my own ancestors went
to Northumberland from Norfolk). They moved before the H-le-S marriage.
Yes, and thank you for it, because your post helped to confirm for me
that the Emma Ede who married Thomas Fenwick was NOT the one I had
previously thought she was for precisely the reasons you mention.

Several members of my wife's family moved to Northumberland and Durham
about the same time, from Cumberland, and some eventually moved back
while others stayed, and yet others migrated to Pennsylvania, coal
miners all.
--
Steve Hayes
Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/
http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/
Steve Hayes
2020-03-04 03:11:02 UTC
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On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 19:45:46 +0100, john
Post by john
Post by Steve Hayes
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 18:50:45 +0100, john
Post by john
Post by Steve Hayes
Three girls named Emma EDE were born in the Liskeard district of
Cornwall between 1858 and 1860 (FreeBMD).
One of them married Thomas Fenwick in Houghton-le-Spring RD, but I'm
not sure which one it was.
And what happened to the other two, who seem to have disappeared by
the 1881 Census?
There is a public Ede family tree entry on Ancestry for Emma J Ede
Spouse: Thomas William Fenwick
Father: Robert Ede
Mother: Ann Sandercock
Thanks to everyone for their help.
Name: Emma EDE-14402
Sex: Female
Father: Robert EDE-14398 (1825- )
Mother: Anne SANDERCOCK-8440 (1831- )
Individual Facts
Birth abt Mar 1859 Broadoak, Cornwall, England
Chr 10 Apr 1859 (about age 0) St Mary the Virgin, Braddock, Cornwall,
England
Residence 1861 (about age 2) Middle Tap House Hamlet, Braddock,
Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Residence 1871 (about age 12) Braddock, Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Residence 1891 (about age 32) Liskeard, Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Residence 31 Mar 1901 (about age 42) St Pinnock, Cornwall, England,
United Kingdom
Residence 1911 (about age 52) St Pinnock, Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Alt. Name Emma TOMS-14402
Ref # 14402
Marriages/Children
1. William TOMS-14404 (1857- )
Marriage abt Nov 1887 (about age 28) Cornwall, England
Children Charlie TOMS-14405 (1889- )
Ida Emily TOMS (1891- )
But I thought you were interested in the Emma Ede who married Thomas
Fenwick in Houghton-le-Spring?
The one I am interested in is the daughter of Robert Ede and Ann
Sandercock, and for a long time I thought she was the one who married
Thomas Fenwick, because of a Census record that said she was born in
Cornwall.

When I checked on FamilySearch, there was a hint that she was a
duplicate, and the duplicate record showed that a different Emma Ede
had married Thomas Fenwick. I did some more checking and discovered
that there were three Emma Edes born in the Liskeard registration
district in or around 1859, and I was having difficulty in finding
their parents/marriages.

That was when I asked for help here, and several people gave useful
information that helped me to establish that the one I was interested
in had married William Toms and not Thomas Fenwick. That enabled me to
correct my records, and correct the FamilySearch record too. The
record on Ancestry.com is now clearly also wrong, but I'm not sure how
one can go about correcting that.

Onee again, I'm very grateful for the help of everyone here
--
Steve Hayes
Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/
http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/
john
2020-03-04 11:08:22 UTC
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Post by Steve Hayes
On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 19:45:46 +0100, john
Post by john
Post by Steve Hayes
On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 18:50:45 +0100, john
Post by john
Post by Steve Hayes
Three girls named Emma EDE were born in the Liskeard district of
Cornwall between 1858 and 1860 (FreeBMD).
One of them married Thomas Fenwick in Houghton-le-Spring RD, but I'm
not sure which one it was.
And what happened to the other two, who seem to have disappeared by
the 1881 Census?
There is a public Ede family tree entry on Ancestry for Emma J Ede
Spouse: Thomas William Fenwick
Father: Robert Ede
Mother: Ann Sandercock
Thanks to everyone for their help.
Name: Emma EDE-14402
Sex: Female
Father: Robert EDE-14398 (1825- )
Mother: Anne SANDERCOCK-8440 (1831- )
Individual Facts
Birth abt Mar 1859 Broadoak, Cornwall, England
Chr 10 Apr 1859 (about age 0) St Mary the Virgin, Braddock, Cornwall,
England
Residence 1861 (about age 2) Middle Tap House Hamlet, Braddock,
Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Residence 1871 (about age 12) Braddock, Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Residence 1891 (about age 32) Liskeard, Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Residence 31 Mar 1901 (about age 42) St Pinnock, Cornwall, England,
United Kingdom
Residence 1911 (about age 52) St Pinnock, Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Alt. Name Emma TOMS-14402
Ref # 14402
Marriages/Children
1. William TOMS-14404 (1857- )
Marriage abt Nov 1887 (about age 28) Cornwall, England
Children Charlie TOMS-14405 (1889- )
Ida Emily TOMS (1891- )
But I thought you were interested in the Emma Ede who married Thomas
Fenwick in Houghton-le-Spring?
The one I am interested in is the daughter of Robert Ede and Ann
Sandercock, and for a long time I thought she was the one who married
Thomas Fenwick, because of a Census record that said she was born in
Cornwall.
When I checked on FamilySearch, there was a hint that she was a
duplicate, and the duplicate record showed that a different Emma Ede
had married Thomas Fenwick. I did some more checking and discovered
that there were three Emma Edes born in the Liskeard registration
district in or around 1859, and I was having difficulty in finding
their parents/marriages.
That was when I asked for help here, and several people gave useful
information that helped me to establish that the one I was interested
in had married William Toms and not Thomas Fenwick. That enabled me to
correct my records, and correct the FamilySearch record too. The
record on Ancestry.com is now clearly also wrong, but I'm not sure how
one can go about correcting that.
Onee again, I'm very grateful for the help of everyone here
I'm do not understand why you didn't just ask for information on the
daughter of Robert Ede and Ann in Sandercock the first place?

Emma Ede is in the 1881 census as Emma Eda

Charles Ellson
2020-03-03 01:31:33 UTC
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On Mon, 02 Mar 2020 18:02:38 +0200, Steve Hayes
Post by Steve Hayes
Three girls named Emma EDE were born in the Liskeard district of
Cornwall between 1858 and 1860 (FreeBMD).
One of them married Thomas Fenwick in Houghton-le-Spring RD, but I'm
not sure which one it was.
That is a bit far away but not necessarily to be excluded.
Post by Steve Hayes
And what happened to the other two, who seem to have disappeared by
the 1881 Census?
The GRO online index should give you the mothers' maiden surnames. If
the same name comes up more than once then you could have a younger
sibling of one who has died and the name recycled. If you can't find
matching death registrations then the other two have probably married
but could also have emigrated before or after marriage. It is also not
impossible that their names have been mis-spelled or otherwise been
misrecored in indexes. If desperate, you could search the census for
Emma with no surname but the same birthplace; if any are married then
you can look for childrens' mothers' maiden surnames to see if they
match then search marriage indexes via the husband's names.
Steve Hayes
2020-03-03 12:28:53 UTC
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Post by Charles Ellson
On Mon, 02 Mar 2020 18:02:38 +0200, Steve Hayes
Post by Steve Hayes
Three girls named Emma EDE were born in the Liskeard district of
Cornwall between 1858 and 1860 (FreeBMD).
The GRO online index should give you the mothers' maiden surnames. If
the same name comes up more than once then you could have a younger
sibling of one who has died and the name recycled. If you can't find
matching death registrations then the other two have probably married
but could also have emigrated before or after marriage. It is also not
impossible that their names have been mis-spelled or otherwise been
misrecored in indexes. If desperate, you could search the census for
Emma with no surname but the same birthplace; if any are married then
you can look for childrens' mothers' maiden surnames to see if they
match then search marriage indexes via the husband's names.
The family I am particularly interested in is this one.

Name: Robert EDE-14398
Sex: Male
Father: Matthew EDE-14399 (1780- )
Mother: Catherine -14400 (1797- )
Individual Facts
Birth 1825 St Pinnock, Cornwall, England
Residence 1851 (about age 26) St Pinnock, Cornwall, England
Residence 1871 (about age 46) Braddock, Cornwall, England, United
Kingdom
Ref # 14398
Marriages/Children
1. Anne SANDERCOCK-8440 (1831- )
Marriage Nov 1854 (about age 29) Liskeard, Cornwall, England
Children John EDE-14401 (1857- )
Emma EDE-14402 (1859- ) <-------- This one!
Jane Ann EDE (1860- )
William EDE-14403 (1867- )

At first I thought, like the compiler of the Ancestry.com tree
mentioned by someone else, that she married Thomas Fenwick, but I'm
having doubts about that, since this one appreast to have been at
Braddock/Broadoak with her parents in the 1871 census, while an Emma
Jane EDE appears in Durham on that date, with different siblings.
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