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Name anomaly
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Jenny M Benson
2020-04-17 15:12:10 UTC
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Can anyone suggest what is going on in this scenario.

In the 1881 Census (RG11-3529-94-38) John Weedall, who married an
Elizabeth Fletcher in 1876, and his wife Elizabeth are shown with a
daughter, Lily, aged 1 year and an unspecified child of unknown name
with the age of 8 days in the "Female" column.

In the 1891 Census (RG12-2841-111-32) the John is absent and Ann's name
is partly obscured, but is readable as Annie. Her children are shown as
Florence, Lilly, Ruth, John H, Mary Jane and Sarah Annie. As Ruth is 10
years old, she will be the unnamed child in 1881.

Before finding the Census entries, I had located the birth registrations
of Florence, Mary Jane, Ruth and Sarah Annie in the GRO index, all with
the maiden name Fletcher. (Plus 2 boys who do not appear on the
Censuses so probably died.) After seeing the 1881 Census, I searched
for, but could not find, an entry for Lilly or Lily Weedall with MMN of
Fletcher. After viewing the 1891 Census, I did a less specific search
and found John Holford Weedale with mother's maiden name Holford. I
then searched for other Weedalls with MMN Holford and found Leonora in
June Q 1880, the right age to be Lil(l)y.

I wondered if Ann(ie) had been previously married and had confused her
former married name with her maiden name, but can't find any
Holford/Fletcher marriage. The Holford children cannot be the product
of either parent from an earlier relationship because they are both
between other children of the marriage. They could be the product of
one of John's relations and adopted by John & Ann, but it's unlikely as
that would mean 2 convenient gaps in the sequence of their birth children.

I am at a loss to explain it myself.
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Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK
Graeme Wall
2020-04-17 16:08:58 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Can anyone suggest what is going on in this scenario.
In the 1881 Census (RG11-3529-94-38) John Weedall, who married an
Elizabeth Fletcher in 1876, and his wife Elizabeth are shown with a
daughter, Lily, aged 1 year and an unspecified child of unknown name
with the age of 8 days in the "Female" column.
In the 1891 Census (RG12-2841-111-32) the John is absent and Ann's name
is partly obscured, but is readable as Annie.  Her children are shown as
Florence, Lilly, Ruth, John H, Mary Jane and Sarah Annie.  As Ruth is 10
years old, she will be the unnamed child in 1881.
Anne, what happened to Elizabeth?
Post by Jenny M Benson
Before finding the Census entries, I had located the birth registrations
of Florence, Mary Jane, Ruth and Sarah Annie in the GRO index, all with
the maiden name Fletcher.  (Plus 2 boys who do not appear on the
Censuses so probably died.)  After seeing the 1881 Census, I searched
for, but could not find, an entry for Lilly or Lily Weedall with MMN of
Fletcher.  After viewing the 1891 Census, I did a less specific search
and found John Holford Weedale with mother's maiden name Holford.  I
then searched for other Weedalls with MMN Holford and found Leonora in
June Q 1880, the right age to be Lil(l)y.
I wondered if Ann(ie) had been previously married and had confused her
former married name with her maiden name, but can't find any
Holford/Fletcher marriage.  The Holford children cannot be the product
of either parent from an earlier relationship because they are both
between other children of the marriage.  They could be the product of
one of John's relations and adopted by John & Ann, but it's unlikely as
that would mean 2 convenient gaps in the sequence of their birth children.
I am at a loss to explain it myself.
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Graeme Wall
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Jenny M Benson
2020-04-17 18:45:10 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Can anyone suggest what is going on in this scenario.
In the 1881 Census (RG11-3529-94-38) John Weedall, who married an
Elizabeth Fletcher in 1876, and his wife Elizabeth are shown with a
daughter, Lily, aged 1 year and an unspecified child of unknown name
with the age of 8 days in the "Female" column.
In the 1891 Census (RG12-2841-111-32) the John is absent and Ann's
name is partly obscured, but is readable as Annie.  Her children are
shown as Florence, Lilly, Ruth, John H, Mary Jane and Sarah Annie.  As
Ruth is 10 years old, she will be the unnamed child in 1881.
Anne, what happened to Elizabeth?
Sorry, my mistake. I've been rather overdoing it the last couple of
days with this branch of the family proving quite tricky. I'm getting
tired and careless and need to go back and check it all again. I think
I must be mixing up 2 families.
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Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK
Graeme Wall
2020-04-18 08:23:16 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Can anyone suggest what is going on in this scenario.
In the 1881 Census (RG11-3529-94-38) John Weedall, who married an
Elizabeth Fletcher in 1876, and his wife Elizabeth are shown with a
daughter, Lily, aged 1 year and an unspecified child of unknown name
with the age of 8 days in the "Female" column.
In the 1891 Census (RG12-2841-111-32) the John is absent and Ann's
name is partly obscured, but is readable as Annie.  Her children are
shown as Florence, Lilly, Ruth, John H, Mary Jane and Sarah Annie.
As Ruth is 10 years old, she will be the unnamed child in 1881.
Anne, what happened to Elizabeth?
Sorry, my mistake.  I've been rather overdoing it the last couple of
days with this branch of the family proving quite tricky. I'm getting
tired and careless and need to go back and check it all again.  I think
I must be mixing up 2 families.
Take a deep breath, and a large gin!
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Graeme Wall
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Jenny M Benson
2020-04-18 09:20:30 UTC
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Post by Graeme Wall
Take a deep breath, and a large gin!
I wish! Haven't had access to gin since BLD (Before Lock-Down.)


Coincidentally, later last night I made contact with a direct descendant
of the family which was causing me so much headache.
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Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK
john
2020-04-17 17:57:12 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Can anyone suggest what is going on in this scenario.
In the 1881 Census (RG11-3529-94-38) John Weedall, who married an
Elizabeth Fletcher in 1876, and his wife Elizabeth are shown with a
daughter, Lily, aged 1 year and an unspecified child of unknown name
with the age of 8 days in the "Female" column.
In the 1891 Census (RG12-2841-111-32) the John is absent and Ann's name
is partly obscured, but is readable as Annie.  Her children are shown as
Florence, Lilly, Ruth, John H, Mary Jane and Sarah Annie.  As Ruth is 10
years old, she will be the unnamed child in 1881.
Before finding the Census entries, I had located the birth registrations
of Florence, Mary Jane, Ruth and Sarah Annie in the GRO index, all with
the maiden name Fletcher.  (Plus 2 boys who do not appear on the
Censuses so probably died.)  After seeing the 1881 Census, I searched
for, but could not find, an entry for Lilly or Lily Weedall with MMN of
Fletcher.  After viewing the 1891 Census, I did a less specific search
and found John Holford Weedale with mother's maiden name Holford.  I
then searched for other Weedalls with MMN Holford and found Leonora in
June Q 1880, the right age to be Lil(l)y.
I wondered if Ann(ie) had been previously married and had confused her
former married name with her maiden name, but can't find any
Holford/Fletcher marriage.  The Holford children cannot be the product
of either parent from an earlier relationship because they are both
between other children of the marriage.  They could be the product of
one of John's relations and adopted by John & Ann, but it's unlikely as
that would mean 2 convenient gaps in the sequence of their birth children.
I am at a loss to explain it myself.
Do these help?

WEEDOW, LILY FLETCHER
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in NORTHWICH Volume 08A Page 288

WEADOW, JOHN HENRY FLETCHER
GRO Reference: 1883 J Quarter in NORTHWICH Volume 08A Page 292

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WEEDALL, FLORENCE FLETCHER
GRO Reference: 1877 S Quarter in NORTHWICH Volume 08A Page 269
It looks as though Florence (niece) was with William and Elizabeth Mills
RG11; P 3647; F 160; P 62 I've not checked further on that relationship.
Jenny M Benson
2020-04-17 20:42:14 UTC
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Do these help?
WEEDOW, LILY        FLETCHER
GRO Reference: 1879  S Quarter in NORTHWICH  Volume 08A  Page 288
WEADOW, JOHN  HENRY      FLETCHER
GRO Reference: 1883  J Quarter in NORTHWICH  Volume 08A  Page 292
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WEEDALL, FLORENCE        FLETCHER
GRO Reference: 1877  S Quarter in NORTHWICH  Volume 08A  Page 269
It looks as though Florence (niece) was with William and Elizabeth Mills
RG11; P 3647; F 160; P 62 I've not checked further on that relationship.
Thank you, John! Not very clever of me to have missed them.

As I replied to Graeme, I think I have been a bit sloppy and probably
mixed up 2 families, but I should be able to put them right now.

I haven't got to that household yet, but there is a Mills connection to
John Weedall's mother, so the entry you have found looks helpful.
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Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK
knuttle
2020-04-17 18:55:49 UTC
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previously married and had confused her former married name with her
maiden name, but can't find any Holford/Fletcher marriage.  The Holford
children cannot be the product of either parent from an earlier
relationship because they are both between other children of the
marriage.  They could be the product of one of John's relations and
adopted by John & Ann, but it's unlikely as that would mean 2 convenient
gaps in the sequence of their birth children.
My first thought that Annie's full name was Elizabeth Ann Fletcher, and
for some reason she started using her middle name instead of her first
name. This can happen for many reason and can cause significant
confusion for the genealogist.

I assume Elizabeth and Annie birth place is the same.

Some times you can guess at the second marriage when there is a gap in
the children's birth date. ie the first three average a birth every two
years, there is a four year gap and the the children are born every
three years
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