The Natural Aristocracy -- Jefferson Was NOT An Egalitarian Democrat

[D. Spencer Hines]

"The natural aristocracy I consider as the most precious gift of nature for
the instruction, the trusts, and government of society."

"And indeed it would have been inconsistent in creation to have formed man
for the social state, and not to have provided virtue and wisdom enough to
manage the concerns of the society."

"May we not even say that that form of government is the best which provides
the most - for a pure selection of these natural aristoi into the offices of
government?"

-- Thomas Jefferson (letter to John Adams, 28 October 1813)

Reference: Jefferson Writings, Lemay, ed., 1306.

[CWatters]

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PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL

[Marcus Aurelius]

One of the reasons that ancient Rome declined from a Republic to a
tyrannical form of government, a principate, was that much of the
"natural aristocracy" had been decimated in the wars and civil wars.
The "natural aristocracy" of Rome provided the political, social, and
economic foundation for a Roman republic. Once the same were
eliminated. the Republic's decline and political dissolution soon
followed .
Cicero, who supported the Roman aristocracy, also, adamantly supported
the Roman republican form of government and opposed tyrannical
Caesarism. He and others, who supported the Republic, were simply
eliminated.
Jefferson's idea of republican values, individual merit concommitant
with individual rights, has been rejected in the USA, and probably in
the UK, with the result that Caesarism in the USA and other countries
is a likely consequence.

[Jack Linthicum]

Post by Marcus Aurelius
One of the reasons that ancient Rome declined from a Republic to a
tyrannical form of government, a principate, was that much of the
"natural aristocracy" had been decimated in the wars and civil wars.
The "natural aristocracy" of Rome provided the political, social, and
economic foundation for a Roman republic. Once the same were
eliminated. the Republic's decline and political dissolution soon
followed .
Cicero, who supported the Roman aristocracy, also, adamantly supported
the Roman republican form of government and opposed tyrannical
Caesarism. He and others, who supported the Republic, were simply
eliminated.
Jefferson's idea of republican values, individual merit concommitant
with individual rights, has been rejected in the USA, and probably in
the UK, with the result that Caesarism in the USA and other countries
is a likely consequence.

Read the rest of the letter and say that.

[Vince]

Post by Marcus Aurelius
One of the reasons that ancient Rome declined from a Republic to a
tyrannical form of government, a principate, was that much of the
"natural aristocracy" had been decimated in the wars and civil wars.
The "natural aristocracy" of Rome provided the political, social, and
economic foundation for a Roman republic. Once the same were
eliminated. the Republic's decline and political dissolution soon
followed .
Cicero, who supported the Roman aristocracy, also, adamantly supported
the Roman republican form of government and opposed tyrannical
Caesarism. He and others, who supported the Republic, were simply
eliminated.
Jefferson's idea of republican values, individual merit concommitant
with individual rights, has been rejected in the USA, and probably in
the UK, with the result that Caesarism in the USA and other countries
is a likely consequence.

Julius Caesar was a Patrician nobleman, a true son of the natural
aristocracy

No patrician believed in individual merit as such. Birth was critical
or you could not be a patrician. You could be a plebeian Nobleman.

Cicero interestingly enough was not of any kind of noble blood. he was
a new man, and a self made one. Very talented lawyer. His mortal enemy
was Catiline, as patrician as they come


I don't think your comparison holds water

Vince

[D. Spencer Hines]

Keep it up...

This is your best post in a VERY long time.

It's actually worth reading.

DSH

Post by Vince
Julius Caesar was a Patrician nobleman, a true son of the natural
aristocracy
No patrician believed in individual merit as such. Birth was critical or
you could not be a patrician. You could be a plebeian Nobleman.
Cicero interestingly enough was not of any kind of noble blood. he was a
new man, and a self made one. Very talented lawyer. His mortal enemy was
Catiline, as patrician as they come.