I'm just gonna leave this here...

[Steve Hayes]

On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 10:10:49 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Likewise for all the counties with -shire in their names. That doesn't
include Devon, which doesn't have -shire in its name unless you're a
grockle (or are referring to Devonshire cream). I imagine that also
applies to Dorset; I don't think anyone is so gauche as to stick -shire
on the end of Somerset or Cornwall.

I only add -shire to the name of a county (current or ceremonial) if
name of the county town is the same as the name of the county itself,
to avoid confusion.

In the case of Gloucester, for example, you can either add -shire to
the end, or "County of" to the beginning to avoid confusion with the
city of Gloucester, but as far as I know, there is no town called
Devon, or Dorset, or Somerset, or Cornwall.

There is, however, a City of Durham, but there is no county of
Durhamshire. So it is "County Durham", as in Ireland.

Lancashire is, like Durham, a County Palatine, but is the County of
Lancaster -- as far as I know it is the only exception.

In the case of Devon, however, a cousin of mine did put in the 1911
census column which asked for citizenship that all the members of the
household were "Devonshire dumplings" and in the column that asked for
marital status that the maid was "awaiting opportunity".

(Crossposted to soc.genealogy.britain, to try to keep it alive).

[Charles Ellson]

On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 07:29:24 +0200, Steve Hayes

Post by Steve Hayes
On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 10:10:49 +0200, Athel Cornish-Bowden

Likewise for all the counties with -shire in their names. That doesn't
include Devon, which doesn't have -shire in its name unless you're a
grockle (or are referring to Devonshire cream). I imagine that also
applies to Dorset; I don't think anyone is so gauche as to stick -shire
on the end of Somerset or Cornwall.

I only add -shire to the name of a county (current or ceremonial) if
name of the county town is the same as the name of the county itself,
to avoid confusion.
In the case of Gloucester, for example, you can either add -shire to
the end, or "County of" to the beginning to avoid confusion with the
city of Gloucester, but as far as I know, there is no town called
Devon, or Dorset, or Somerset, or Cornwall.
There is, however, a City of Durham, but there is no county of
Durhamshire. So it is "County Durham", as in Ireland.
Lancashire is, like Durham, a County Palatine, but is the County of
Lancaster -- as far as I know it is the only exception.

"County of XYZ" is in fairly routine use in more formal official
documents and notices.

Post by Steve Hayes
In the case of Devon, however, a cousin of mine did put in the 1911
census column which asked for citizenship that all the members of the
household were "Devonshire dumplings" and in the column that asked for
marital status that the maid was "awaiting opportunity".
(Crossposted to soc.genealogy.britain, to try to keep it alive).

[JMB99]

I don't think anyone is so gauche as to stick -shire
on the end of Somerset or Cornwall.

I did a quick newspaper search and lots of examples of Somersetshire.

Cornwallshire does also occasionally appear.





Western Morning News - Tuesday 19 December 1950

WHY WHY 'DEVONSHIRE'?

Doidge's Annual answers nomenclature query

Why " Devonshire" and never "Cornwallshire" ? This frequent query is one
of many answered in the 1951 edition of Doidge's Annual, published by "
The Western Morning News," Plymouth, at 3s. 6d.

In an article on "Devon or Devonshire." "S. H." says that strictly
speaking the "shires" of England are, with a few notable exceptions,
those new divisions of land which were made after the Saxons, or
English, had won their land back from the Danes, when "shires" were made
by "shiring" or "shearing" the recovered land into new districts.

In later days the "shire-courts," presided over by the shire-reeve,
gereta or sheriff, were imposed on the older divisions, as on the newer
ones, but that did not make them "shires" any more than the holding of
"County" courts at Exeter or Plymouth makes those cities "counties."

As Devon was the name of the county in the 7th century, it is
territorially, much older than the "shires." When used as an adjective.
e.g., Devonshire cream, Devonshire cattle, the "shire" affix may be used
correctly, but when a noun is intended, "Devon" is the correct term.

[Peter Moylan]

Post by JMB99
As Devon was the name of the county in the 7th century, it is
territorially, much older than the "shires." When used as an
adjective. e.g., Devonshire cream, Devonshire cattle, the "shire"
affix may be used correctly, but when a noun is intended, "Devon" is
the correct term.

Just to throw some extra fuel on the fire: in Australia, "Devonshire"
can mean either cream or tea, but "Devon" means a certain kind of sliced
sausage. In fact, it's the same meat that we called "German sausage" in
my childhood.

(Horrible stuff, but convenient when you're in a rush to prepare school
sandwiches. In a similar way, "American cheese" is appropriate when
haste is more important that taste.)

[JMB99]

Post by Peter Moylan
Just to throw some extra fuel on the fire: in Australia, "Devonshire"
can mean either cream or tea, but "Devon" means a certain kind of sliced
sausage. In fact, it's the same meat that we called "German sausage" in
my childhood.
(Horrible stuff, but convenient when you're in a rush to prepare school
sandwiches. In a similar way, "American cheese" is appropriate when
haste is more important that taste.)

I have never heard of Devon sausages in the UK? A search shows they are
sold in the UK though.





Devon (sausage)
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Devon_(sausage)
devon sausage from en.wikipedia.org
Devon is a type of manufactured meat product sold in Australia and New
Zealand. A slice of devon. Contents. 1 Overview; 2 Terminology; 3 See
also ...

[Janet]

In article <v91u8j$3r4ri$***@dont-email.me>, ***@nospam.net
says...

Post by JMB99

Post by Peter Moylan
Just to throw some extra fuel on the fire: in Australia, "Devonshire"
can mean either cream or tea, but "Devon" means a certain kind of sliced
sausage. In fact, it's the same meat that we called "German sausage" in
my childhood.
(Horrible stuff, but convenient when you're in a rush to prepare school
sandwiches. In a similar way, "American cheese" is appropriate when
haste is more important that taste.)

I have never heard of Devon sausages in the UK? A search shows they are
sold in the UK though.

The product sold in Australia as "devon", is what would
be identified and classified as "luncheon meat" in UK.

The products sold in UK as "Devon sausages" are not
luncheon meat. They are sausages ( "bangers") made in
the county of Devon.

Janet

[Hibou]

Post by Janet
The products sold in UK as "Devon sausages" are not
luncheon meat. They are sausages ( "bangers") made in
the county of Devon.

Bangers, or more arcanely 'snorkers'.

"Snorkers is a British English colloquialism for sausages. It may have a
Royal Navy slang origin. The term is probably derived from an earlier
dialect term for a young pig: Wright's 19th-century English Dialect
Dictionary notes snorker as a widespread word for a piglet, related to
the word snork, to grunt or snore" -
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snorkers>

[Bertel Lund Hansen]

Post by Hibou
Bangers, or more arcanely 'snorkers'.
"Snorkers is a British English colloquialism for sausages. It may have a
Royal Navy slang origin. The term is probably derived from an earlier
dialect term for a young pig: Wright's 19th-century English Dialect
Dictionary notes snorker as a widespread word for a piglet, related to
the word snork, to grunt or snore" -
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snorkers>

The Danish word for "snore" is "snorke".

[Graeme Wall]

Post by Hibou

Post by Janet
The products sold in UK as "Devon sausages" are not
luncheon meat. They are sausages  ( "bangers") made in
the county of Devon.

Bangers, or more arcanely 'snorkers'.
"Snorkers is a British English colloquialism for sausages. It may have a
Royal Navy slang origin. The term is probably derived from an earlier
dialect term for a young pig: Wright's 19th-century English Dialect
Dictionary notes snorker as a widespread word for a piglet, related to
the word snork, to grunt or snore" -
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snorkers>

See "The Cruel Sea"

[J. J. Lodder]

Post by Graeme Wall

Post by Hibou

Post by Janet
The products sold in UK as "Devon sausages" are not
luncheon meat. They are sausages ( "bangers") made in
the county of Devon.

Bangers, or more arcanely 'snorkers'.
"Snorkers is a British English colloquialism for sausages. It may have a
Royal Navy slang origin. The term is probably derived from an earlier
dialect term for a young pig: Wright's 19th-century English Dialect
Dictionary notes snorker as a widespread word for a piglet, related to
the word snork, to grunt or snore" -
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snorkers>

See "The Cruel Sea"

I just did.
[conversations in the wardroom]
====
Bennett's contribution lay in the realm of eating. ... He had formed an
attachment for the crudest item in the wardroom store-cupboard, tinned
sausages, which he knew colloquially as 'snorkers': they made an almost
daily appearance on the menu, either at lunch or dinner, and the
recurrent exclamation -'Snorkers! Good-oh!' - with which he greeted
them, sounded the knell of appetite. Then he would sit down, rub his
hands, help himself liberally to Worcester sauce, and go to with a will.
In fishing circles he would have been described as a coarse feeder.
===

BTW, this is officer feed. The men must have gotten worse,

Jan

[Graeme Wall]

Post by J. J. Lodder

Post by Graeme Wall

Post by Hibou

Post by Janet
The products sold in UK as "Devon sausages" are not
luncheon meat. They are sausages ( "bangers") made in
the county of Devon.

Bangers, or more arcanely 'snorkers'.
"Snorkers is a British English colloquialism for sausages. It may have a
Royal Navy slang origin. The term is probably derived from an earlier
dialect term for a young pig: Wright's 19th-century English Dialect
Dictionary notes snorker as a widespread word for a piglet, related to
the word snork, to grunt or snore" -
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snorkers>

See "The Cruel Sea"

I just did.
[conversations in the wardroom]
====
Bennett's contribution lay in the realm of eating. ... He had formed an
attachment for the crudest item in the wardroom store-cupboard, tinned
sausages, which he knew colloquially as 'snorkers': they made an almost
daily appearance on the menu, either at lunch or dinner, and the
recurrent exclamation -'Snorkers! Good-oh!' - with which he greeted
them, sounded the knell of appetite. Then he would sit down, rub his
hands, help himself liberally to Worcester sauce, and go to with a will.
In fishing circles he would have been described as a coarse feeder.
===
BTW, this is officer feed. The men must have gotten worse,

On a small ship like a corvette, they got the same.

[Hibou]

Post by Graeme Wall

Post by Hibou
Bangers, or more arcanely 'snorkers'.
"Snorkers is a British English colloquialism for sausages. It may have
a Royal Navy slang origin. The term is probably derived from an
earlier dialect term for a young pig: Wright's 19th-century English
Dialect Dictionary notes snorker as a widespread word for a piglet,
related to the word snork, to grunt or snore" -
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snorkers>

See "The Cruel Sea"

Yes, that's where I first encountered the term.