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Uploading family tree for scrutiny by family.
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pete
2019-02-03 18:35:43 UTC
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For the past year I have been working on my wife's family tree. I now want to
upload the tree to some where her extended family can look at it and edit it
for any mistakes etc.
I now have iCloud working. Can I utilise iCloud to do it? If not, how can I
do this? pfj
Keith Nuttle
2019-02-03 19:49:32 UTC
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Post by pete
For the past year I have been working on my wife's family tree. I now want to
upload the tree to some where her extended family can look at it and edit it
for any mistakes etc.
I now have iCloud working. Can I utilise iCloud to do it? If not, how can I
do this? pfj
Depends on what you want to let them do and see; and the format the data
is in on your computer. It is also dependent on what the person looking
at the data has.

If you want to present it so they can see it, create a PDF book of the
family or families. I use FTM to create books that have the main line
family with each maternal family. I include a table of contents and
and index and print it as a PDF file. In PDF format it can nearly be
read by any one with a computer, tablet, or smartphone.

The book contains all of my notes, comments, and all of the facts on
each ancestor. It also contains text documents with discussions of
problem connections, and stories of the family.

If they all have a copy of some genealogy program like Family Tree Maker
or Rootsmagic, then you could just put your database on line and let
them down load it.

You could put it online as a Gedcom file, it can be read by something
like Windows Notepad, but is not very user friendly.

A slightly more user friendly presentation would be jpgs on each person
in your tree with the facts and figures.
--
2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2019-02-03 21:56:46 UTC
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Post by Keith Nuttle
Post by pete
For the past year I have been working on my wife's family tree. I now want to
upload the tree to some where her extended family can look at it and edit it
for any mistakes etc.
Do you wish to retain control (e. g. arbitrate between two [or more!] of
the family who disagree about something)?

Ancestry (and some of the other similar companies, I think) let you
upload a tree, and then invite other people to access it: you can choose
what level of access you grant to each person you invite, from read
only, to add comments, to full edit. If you've been working on the tree
on your own computer using any software other than Ancestry's preferred
one, though, you can only upload a GeDCom file - not links, pictures, or
more or less anything.
Post by Keith Nuttle
Post by pete
I now have iCloud working. Can I utilise iCloud to do it? If not, how can I
do this? pfj
Depends on what you want to let them do and see; and the format the data
is in on your computer. It is also dependent on what the person looking
at the data has.
If you want to present it so they can see it, create a PDF book of the
family or families. I use FTM to create books that have the main line
family with each maternal family. I include a table of contents and
and index and print it as a PDF file. In PDF format it can nearly be
read by any one with a computer, tablet, or smartphone.
Using a .pdf "printer" (I use pdf995, but there are plenty), you can
produce .pdf versions of the data in any form that your genealogy
software can print - books, group sheets, Ahnentafel lists, fan charts,
tree charts, ancestor charts ... (what genealogy software _have_ you
been using?)
Post by Keith Nuttle
The book contains all of my notes, comments, and all of the facts on
each ancestor. It also contains text documents with discussions of
problem connections, and stories of the family.
If they all have a copy of some genealogy program like Family Tree
Maker or Rootsmagic, then you could just put your database on line and
let them down load it.
Though you then do run into the problem/question mentioned above: who do
you want to be the master controller/coordinator? Otherwise, each person
who downloads it - if they alter it at all - will end up with their own
version, and they'll all differ in different minor respects. It's a
problem shared by all genealogists who share a tree/database. Some
genealogy softwares have a database compare function, which can be used
to bring divergent versions back together (at least the one I use,
Brother's Keeper, does, and I'd be surprised if it's the only one), but
I've not used it in this way, and I suspect it'd be hard work.
Post by Keith Nuttle
You could put it online as a Gedcom file, it can be read by something
like Windows Notepad, but is not very user friendly.
Or as a series of HTML files: there are utilities that will convert a
GeDCom file into such (i. e. a mini-website), which are more
user-friendly. Uploading a GeDCom to rootsweb (free) does this, though
I'm not sure if rootsweb is allowing uploads at the moment.
Post by Keith Nuttle
A slightly more user friendly presentation would be jpgs on each person
in your tree with the facts and figures.
Lot of work though, and people couldn't cut and paste text from them.
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pete
2019-02-04 07:46:14 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by pete
For the past year I have been working on my wife's family tree. I now want to
upload the tree to some where her extended family can look at it and edit it
for any mistakes etc.
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If you want to present it so they can see it, create a PDF book of the
family or families. I use FTM to create books that have the main line
family with each maternal family. I include a table of contents and
and index and print it as a PDF file. In PDF format it can nearly be
read by any one with a computer, tablet, or smartphone.
Using a .pdf "printer" (I use pdf995, but there are plenty), you can
produce .pdf versions of the data in any form that your genealogy
software can print - books, group sheets, Ahnentafel lists, fan charts,
tree charts, ancestor charts ... (what genealogy software _have_ you
been using?) I’m using Reunion on a Mac. I think the .pdf version is the way for me. Many thanks for your very useful reply.
Peter
pete
2019-02-04 07:50:05 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
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If you want to present it so they can see it, create a PDF book of the
family or families. I use FTM to create books that have the main line
family with each maternal family. I include a table of contents and
and index and print it as a PDF file. In PDF format it can nearly be
read by any one with a computer, tablet, or smartphone.
Using a .pdf "printer" (I use pdf995, but there are plenty), you can
produce .pdf versions of the data in any form that your genealogy
software can print - books, group sheets, Ahnentafel lists, fan charts,
tree charts, ancestor charts ... (what genealogy software _have_ you
been using?) I’ve been using Reunion on a Mac.
Many thanks for your helpful and comprehensive reply/
I think that the .pdf version is the way forward for me.
Thanks again.
Peter
Keith Nuttle
2019-02-04 12:56:03 UTC
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Post by pete
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
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If you want to present it so they can see it, create a PDF book of the
family or families. I use FTM to create books that have the main line
family with each maternal family. I include a table of contents and
and index and print it as a PDF file. In PDF format it can nearly be
read by any one with a computer, tablet, or smartphone.
Using a .pdf "printer" (I use pdf995, but there are plenty), you can
produce .pdf versions of the data in any form that your genealogy
software can print - books, group sheets, Ahnentafel lists, fan charts,
tree charts, ancestor charts ... (what genealogy software _have_ you
been using?) I’ve been using Reunion on a Mac.
Many thanks for your helpful and comprehensive reply/
I think that the .pdf version is the way forward for me.
Thanks again.
Peter
At the time I mentioned it I was thinking of using the PDF print
functions from FTM, I agree that a PDF printer is almost a necessary
tool for working with and collecting documents. As was said any
document that comes from any program genealogy or otherwise can be made
into a PDF file with a PDF printer. In addition, documents you collect
can be printed to PDF printers.

One thing that you may not consider is the research summaries that you
may create. I have created many and share these summaries with cousins
as PDF documents. This keeps them from being changed and remain your
work. If you submit a summary or article for publication in a genealogy
magazine you may wish to to print it to a PDF file.


NOTE: If you do share the summaries and articles that you create, MAKE
SURE that you put your name and contact information in the document. I
place my name and address at the end of the documents and the title and
my name in the footer of each page. Early on I shared some un
identified summaries, that ended up connected to other peoples trees.

There are two reasons for identifying the document so you can be
contacted. One so you get credit, and most important, with the many
name collector "doing" their genealogy, with your contact information, a
serious research who has a question about what you say can contact you.

I use three, CutePDFWriter, Sourcefourge's PDFCreator, and Irfanview.
While Irfanview is primarily an image manipulation program you can use
it to create PDF documents of different paper sizes. I also use it to
add citation information to documents I download and clean up the
document before storing it.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
2019-02-04 15:01:13 UTC
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Post by Keith Nuttle
I use three, CutePDFWriter, Sourcefourge's PDFCreator, and Irfanview.
I didn't know you could use IV as a PDF "printer" - can you share how?
Post by Keith Nuttle
While Irfanview is primarily an image manipulation program you can use
it to create PDF documents of different paper sizes. I also use it to
(You _can_ do that with pdf995 too, though it's fiddly. And perhaps some
of the other "printer"s.)
Post by Keith Nuttle
add citation information to documents I download and clean up the
document before storing it.
I use IV to store text in an image (just view the image, then type I
then C), which then remains part of the file, regardless of whether it's
moved, renamed, or even emailed. Useful, among _many_ other things, for
e. g. recording who's who in a group photograph, or date taken, or ...
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Ian Goddard
2019-02-04 16:19:30 UTC
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On Linux, and I assume on Windows, LibreOffice applications can generate
PDFs without any additional S/W.

Ian
Charles Ellson
2019-02-05 00:24:43 UTC
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 16:19:30 +0000, Ian Goddard
Post by Ian Goddard
On Linux, and I assume on Windows,
Windows 10 yes, 7 no IIRC without 3rd party software; not sure about
in between.
Post by Ian Goddard
LibreOffice applications can generate
PDFs without any additional S/W.
Ian
john
2019-02-05 09:50:35 UTC
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Post by Charles Ellson
On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 16:19:30 +0000, Ian Goddard
Post by Ian Goddard
On Linux, and I assume on Windows,
Windows 10 yes, 7 no IIRC without 3rd party software; not sure about
in between.
Post by Ian Goddard
LibreOffice applications can generate
PDFs without any additional S/W.
Ian
You don't.

Win 7/LibreOffice 6 can create PDFs without any problem using
File | Export as PDF...

As far as I am aware, there are no significant differences between the
different operating system versions of LibreOffice so all can export PDFs

Also, you can use File | Export to create a .jpg, or .png for all
document types; there are also other additional File | Export output
formats depending on whether the document is Writer, Calc spreadsheet,
Impress presentation, or Draw
Roger Mills
2019-02-05 17:28:11 UTC
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Post by Ian Goddard
On Linux, and I assume on Windows, LibreOffice applications can generate
PDFs without any additional S/W.
Ian
As indeed can MS Office applications - and many others. But such
applications can only create PDFs from content which they can manipulate.

What happens when you're using an application which doesn't have a PDF
export facility?

In such cases, I use Bullzip PDF Printer. Anything which can be printed
on paper can be "printed" by Bullzip - which actually creates a PDF file
in a location of your choice.

Sometimes I need to combine PDF files from various sources into a single
PDF file. I find PDFTools very useful for this. [It can also split PDF
files into individual pages, or groups of pages, plus various other tricks].

Its UI is a bit quirky, but it's ok when you get used to it.
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2019-02-09 07:39:27 UTC
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Post by Roger Mills
In such cases, I use Bullzip PDF Printer. Anything which can be printed
on paper can be "printed" by Bullzip - which actually creates a PDF file
in a location of your choice.
I use PDFactory for that.

Its file stays open until you close it, so you can add to the PDF file
from any ptogram you print from.
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Keith Nuttle
2019-02-04 16:40:39 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I didn't know you could use IV as a PDF "printer" - can you share how?
Irfanview is one of my primary PDF tools. Technically you can not print
to Irfanview as a printer, However you can create multiple page PDF
files using Irfanview.

Assume you have Irfanview with the plugins (I use V4.52 - 32 bit)

Options, Multipage images, Create Multipage PDF.
Gives you a window where you can add images, rearrange them, and a
couple of other options. There are some options on how each page is
handled during the PDF file creation.

Once you have selected the pages and are happy with the arrangement you
can then select a folder, a file name, and save the PDF file when it is
created.

I use Irfanview as my primary image processing program. When I have
created a image either scanned or downloaded. I use text function of
Irfanview to add the citation data to the images. Depending on the
document, I use the Canvas resize option to add space to the side of the
image where I want the text. I may resize the image if I feel it is
necessary. For pure documents, I do not need much larger than a 1920X
1080 image for readability. If necessary I uses the drawing tools to
annotate the image.

Once I have done the above to each page for the PDF document, I use the
Multipage PDF function above to create the PDF document.

One thing I recently accidentally discovered is the Irvanview can open
PDF document.

While I have never used the function, I assume that you could use
Irfanview to combine PDF files since, Irvanview can open PDF and Save them
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2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2019-02-05 00:51:12 UTC
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Post by Keith Nuttle
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
I didn't know you could use IV as a PDF "printer" - can you share how?
Irfanview is one of my primary PDF tools. Technically you can not
print to Irfanview as a printer, However you can create multiple page
PDF files using Irfanview.
Assume you have Irfanview with the plugins (I use V4.52 - 32 bit)
Options, Multipage images, Create Multipage PDF.
Gives you a window where you can add images, rearrange them, and a
couple of other options. There are some options on how each page is
handled during the PDF file creation.
Ah, so you are creating PDFs _from images_ ...
Post by Keith Nuttle
Once you have selected the pages and are happy with the arrangement you
can then select a folder, a file name, and save the PDF file when it is
created.
I use Irfanview as my primary image processing program. When I have
(so do I)
Post by Keith Nuttle
created a image either scanned or downloaded. I use text function of
Irfanview to add the citation data to the images. Depending on the
... where the annotation text is added _as images of text_ (i. e. as
pixels).
Post by Keith Nuttle
document, I use the Canvas resize option to add space to the side of
the image where I want the text. I may resize the image if I feel it
is necessary. For pure documents, I do not need much larger than a
1920X 1080 image for readability. If necessary I uses the drawing
tools to annotate the image.
Once I have done the above to each page for the PDF document, I use the
Multipage PDF function above to create the PDF document.
That would give PDFs from which text could not be copied (without OCR -
though, granted, I think that's built-in to some versions of some PDF
readers these days).
Post by Keith Nuttle
One thing I recently accidentally discovered is the Irvanview can open
PDF document.
While I have never used the function, I assume that you could use
Irfanview to combine PDF files since, Irvanview can open PDF and Save them
Sounds plausible!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Subtlety is the art of saying what you think and getting out of the way
before it is understood." - Fortunes
Keith Nuttle
2019-02-05 02:07:51 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
 I didn't know you could use IV as a PDF "printer" - can you share how?
Irfanview is one of my primary PDF tools.  Technically you can not
print to Irfanview as a printer,  However you can create multiple page
PDF files using Irfanview.
Assume you have Irfanview with the plugins (I use V4.52 - 32 bit)
Options, Multipage images, Create Multipage PDF.
Gives you a window where you can add images, rearrange them, and a
couple of other options.  There are some options on how each page is
handled during the PDF file creation.
Ah, so you are creating PDFs _from images_ ...
Once you have selected the pages and are happy with the arrangement
you can then select a folder, a file name, and save the PDF file when
it is created.
I use Irfanview as my primary image processing program.  When I have
(so do I)
created a image either scanned or downloaded.  I use text function of
Irfanview to add the citation data to the images.  Depending on the
... where the annotation text is added _as images of text_ (i. e. as
pixels).
document, I use the Canvas resize option to add space to the side of
the image where I want the text.  I may resize the image if I feel it
is necessary.  For pure documents, I do not need much larger than a
1920X 1080 image for readability.   If necessary I uses the drawing
tools to annotate the image.
Once I have done the above to each page for the PDF document, I use
the Multipage PDF function above to create the PDF document.
That would give PDFs from which text could not be copied (without OCR -
though, granted, I think that's built-in to some versions of some PDF
readers these days).
One thing I recently accidentally discovered is the Irvanview can open
PDF document.
While I have never used the function, I assume that you could use
Irfanview to combine PDF files since, Irvanview can open PDF and Save them
Sounds plausible!
That is something I learned a long time ago, that thare are PDF files
and then there are PDF files, and visual you may not be able to tell the
difference. There are text based PDF's such as from email or a word
processor, these you can copy text from them and use all of the notation
functions. There are image PDF's which as you say you need to OCR to
copy the text. Some time if the security on the text based document is
set correctly you may think it is an image document. Then there is the
blended PDF, that is a scanned image with the OCR data in the PDF
document so it appears you are copying the text from the PDF

I place my citatation in the images as pixel. When I need to cite the
citation, I use the camera to cut if from the PDF, and then OCR it in
Irvanview.
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2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre
Keith Nuttle
2019-02-05 12:27:46 UTC
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I place my citatation in the images as pixel.  When I need to cite the
citation, I use the camera to cut if from the PDF, and then OCR it in
Irvanview.Camera function of Adobe reader
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2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre
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